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Farmall M - Which One?

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Clarkbug

11-06-2006 18:04:32




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Hello everyone.

I have the potential to purchase a Farmall M from a neighbor who is looking to move up to a 560. As of yet I havent seen the tractor, but am hoping to when I head home for Thanksgiving (I am from Upstate NY, currently live near Washington DC) Its in pretty good shape, has the electronic ignition, and is used for farm chores currently.

I have always had a thing for the Farmalls, just to own one. My family has 125+ acres or so, and we have some other tractors around to tend to things. So now is my chance to get into some Red Power.

Im looking to just tinker with this tractor, pull around some hay wagons now and then, and occasionally take it to the local tractor pulls down the road.

So my question (finally) is; Should I grab this tractor, or keep looking for something else? I didnt know if I should hold out for a Super M, or perhaps a Super H or something like that. Do I want to move up to something like a 350 or 400?

Thanks in advance, and sorry for the long post!

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LenRahilly

11-08-2006 13:23:18




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to Clarkbug, 11-06-2006 18:04:32  
I've spent a lot of time on F-12's, F-20's, 10-20's, A's, B's and H's. Recently had a chance to spend some "quality time" on a Super M. Comments:
An H feels a lot like an F-14: small, fast-running engine, not a lot of torque, easy to steer, fairly comfortable for its day. Beautiful to look at, but the F-20 on rubber would run rings around it. Super M: heavy steering because of the weight of the machine, kind of clumsy-feeling for a chore tractor. I wouldn't buy one for light chores requiring an agile tractor. Out in the field, it's a different story: big, torquey engine, and you kind of feel like you're commanding a ship. Loved the S-M for field work.
Watch out for a worn clutch-pedal bearing. The width of the platform means that the driver's foot pushes the pedal sideways as well as forward. Eventually, very sloppy pedal; your foot can slip off, and that could be dangerous. Machine shop could probably insert a bushing to correct this.
H and M very sturdily built. One drawback for farm use: the fifth gear is so fast that it is worthless at 5 or 6 mph, the speed you might want to pull a loaded wagon over a washboard country road. The engine would be practically at idle, and there is not enough torque for this with a heavy load behind, especially in the H. There should have been an extra gear of around 7 or 8 mph, like on Oliver 70 and JD A and B. Suspect it was an engineering decision to save money: Fifth gear on H and M is "straight-through," just like the third gear in traditional American car transmissions. There are no gears involved--just a sliding dog clutch that connects the clutch shaft to the output shaft. Can be locked out, by the way, by screwing down a bolt in the transmission cover. That is what IH did when they sold these tractors on steel. At full throttle in fifth gear on a bumpy road (about 18 mph at no-load governed speed, I'd guess), the ride can be, shall we say, exciting when the front wheels begin to shimmy (may be a problem only with older tractors which have some wear in the steering gear; both my father's H's did this)

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Clarkbug

11-08-2006 18:44:09




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to LenRahilly, 11-08-2006 13:23:18  
Thanks for your input Len, its much appreciated.

The farmers down the road from me have several of the red kind of tractors (M, Super H, Super M-TA, 656, 1066) and I have always been impressed with the fact that they get used for farm chores all the time and still work without fail, even after all these years. Plus the M-TA with the power steering sure is handy for backing in a four wheeled wagon... :) I guess its just whats stuck in my head for a tractor.

I just know some old iron is what I would like to have, be it Farmall, Oliver, or a MF. I actually even just saw a MF 1080 for sale for the same price as the M I am looking at, but I think that is probably needs more work than I want to put in it right now.

But thanks again for your input!

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LenRahilly

11-09-2006 07:08:10




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to Clarkbug, 11-08-2006 18:44:09  
Thanks for the kind words, Clarkbug. A really bigtime fruit and veg. farmer in NJ whom I knew (died recently, sad to say) used pretty much only the fairly-old stuff (Super A, Super M, JD B) because compared to new tractors they are incredibly cheap to buy. He had a mechanic who fixed them up and got them running well and looking good, probably for much less than the cost of a new tractor of comparable power. This was an operation that could profit from a number of what today seem like "small" tractors--cultivating veggies, hauling stuff in from the fields on wagons, etc. Doubt if this would make economic sense on the huge farms in the Midwest.
I grew up on 140 acres in NJ, but in my father's day, you could make a living by selling your milk and doing a LOT of things yourself (like growing vegs. and fruit for canning and underground storage; making butter and cottage cheese; raising chickens for eggs and meat, and for sale; likewise for hogs). In the 40s,farmers started using machines because there was no longer much manual labor available (wartime problem). Machines are expensive; this seems to have been the beginning of the need for lots of cash and consequently lots of acres (my tax acct. in a small country town in Mich. where I worked for some years told me 3000 acres was the minimum to make a decent living with crop farming, and a minimum of 300 cows on a dairy: we had 30!). Sorry, I'm off the track, but it is fascinating to look back on the way my parents and grandparents were able to make a living; couldn't do it today, I expect. I tried to be objective about the M and SM, but underneath the coldhearted thinking, I really loved the old IH machinery, even the F-20 that I got bounced around on so much.

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Clarkbug

11-09-2006 16:25:03




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to LenRahilly, 11-09-2006 07:08:10  
Hi Len.

I hear exactly what you mean. I worked for years at the local veggie farm down the road from me, and the biggest tractor there was a JD 2940, and that was only for plowing in the spring and the rest of the time it sat on the irrigation pump. The smaller tractors were definitely more handy, and the farm my grandfather owned never needed a tractor with more than 50 hp.

I always have enjoyed driving a tractor around, but I think that you are right, its so much cheaper to buy old iron and get it running right than to go brand new. Maybe if I was a huge crop farmer I would feel different.

The newer tractors defintiely are more like a car, I just feel too disconnected from the equipment and what Im doing. Besides, the older ones are easy to fix, and parts are easy to find and cheap.

So, to conclude my long and pointless message, I just like old iron because its cheap, easy to fix, and just reminds me of an actual tractor.

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El Toro

11-07-2006 13:45:07




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to Clarkbug, 11-06-2006 18:04:32  
There's a lady in northern VA that has an M Farmall for sale. You can email her for a picture
and the details at linaraynes@verizon.net. Hal
PS: It's near DC too.



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Clarkbug

11-07-2006 19:03:41




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to El Toro, 11-07-2006 13:45:07  
Thanks for all of the replies everyone.

I was feeling much the same way, that I would get one just because if its a good running tractor, and it something I always wanted, why not? I hope to someday have enough space that I can work on a full restoration, but for now Ill start small with just one tractor. If it ever came down to it, I could always sell it later I suppose.

And to El Toro - Thanks for finding a local listing for me! I appreciate it, but I am looking for tractors that are actually in Upstate NY, not down near DC. I live in an apartment building, and I dont have any place to keep anything down here. (plus I already checked, Im not allowed to have farm machinery within city limits :) )

I guess Ill go home and check out that M!

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Dave 2N

11-07-2006 06:26:18




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to Clarkbug, 11-06-2006 18:04:32  
I'm influenced by my "formative years" that were spent on a Farmall M. Ya, I'm prejudiced though I've never seen a tractor of any make from the era (late 40's through the 50's) that I didn't like.

But I guess it all depends on what you want the tractor for. If it's just to have one to own, tinker with, parade, show, or just play with, then an M is the way to go. If you are going to work it and have the implements for it, the M is still the way to go. The fact that it's running is a big plus. But again--I'm prejudiced: I love C's, H's, M's, Super C's, Super H's, M's. These were and still are great tractors.

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City-Boy McCoy

11-07-2006 04:34:55




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to Clarkbug, 11-06-2006 18:04:32  
If it is "just to own one" and maybe pull a wagon or something, you can't go wrong with a regular M. To me, the M and the H define their era in both looks and performance. What proud looking, solid machines.
mike



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alaskapete

11-06-2006 18:34:36




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 Re: Farmall M - Which One? in reply to Clarkbug, 11-06-2006 18:04:32  
You can't go wrong with any as long as it is in decent shape and fits what you want. Buying a tractor is like buying anything else really personal. All of a sudden you find one that fits you. If you are like many of us, you'll buy one and be really excited about your choice and your plans to make that tractor special. And then the bug hits again, and another different one or two will follow you home. Maybe the first one still is special, but as you go on with your collecting, a certain model or two will grab you, and you go in that direction until the process changes again. So, buy the one first that really grabs you now. Don't worry about the other possibilities because there's always tomorrow. Enjoy.

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