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Farmall 140 electrical ?

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Gary L. Lyons

07-26-2006 18:35:19




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The Farmall 140 I am buying has an electrical problem because I remember my uncle always having to unhook the battery everytime he finished using the tractor. He didn't fix it because he said it was too expensive. Do any of you know what he might have been talking about. Although I'll probably know more about them in the future, at this point I know nothing about the Farmall tractors.




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John T

07-27-2006 05:42:55




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Gary L. Lyons, 07-26-2006 18:35:19  
Gary, If its necessary to unhook the battery cuz OTHERWISE IT DISCHARGES WHEN SETTING, the problems (IF its still a generator) EITHER theres a short in the wiring or switch etc., OR ELSE the Cutout Relay (in a VR or a simple 2 wire CR) is bad n the points are sticking closed. If tapping on it makes the condition stop the cutout relay contacts are sticking.

If the cutout relay points are sticking closed, when the tractors shut off an ammeter would swing over to heavy - discharge,,,,, the genny would get warm,,,,, and the battery run down very fast. Also, if the cutout relay points were sticking closed if you removed the belt the genny would spin like a motor. Unhooking the wire that runs down from the ammeter to the BAT terminal on the VR would prevent the battery from discharging and if its reconnected there would be a spark indicating a current draw. A new VR or cutout relay (maybe $50 or $60 or more) would cure the problem.

Next, if its NOT a cutout relay problem and the battery slowlyyyyy y runs down if its not disconnected, theres a short in the wiring or a switch etc. If you remove the hot ungrounded battery cable and attach the lead n alligator clamp end of a test lamp to the bare battery post and the other probe end to the unconnected battery cable, the light will glow if theres a short circuit path to frame ground. If so take the probe end and next search around at wiring and terminal locations n the BAT input side of switches etc cuz if you probe to where the short is the lamp will glow. Note, the lamp should glow if your on the switches output switched side to loads like lights etc cuz thats a normal path to frame ground and the batterys other grounded post.

This all assumes the battery itself is not bad and discharges regardless if its disconnected or not.

If its an alternator it may not be wired correct or bad itself or theres a short in the wiring or switches.

Hope this helps, best wishes n God Bless

John T

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Gary L. Lyons

07-27-2006 10:44:05




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to John T, 07-27-2006 05:42:55  
I appreciate the responses. I should know more about it next week sometime. I have a battery charged up and ready to try it out. It does have a 12 volt generator.



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Hugh MacKay

07-27-2006 03:40:14




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Gary L. Lyons, 07-26-2006 18:35:19  
Gary: My first reaction, was this a 6 volt 140 converted to 12 volt alternator. Your answer to that could solve much. Over the 21 years of 140 production they went from 6 volt generator, to 12 volt generator and finally 12 volt alternator. I'm not exactly sure when those changes occured, but from what I've seen, they started with 6 volt generator in 58, 12 volt generator came about mid 60s and alternator about 72 to 74. If you don't know for sure whether you have a conversion, give us a serial number. Someone on here will know the exact serial number where change occured.

If in fact you do have a conversion and your certain of that, go to Bob M's diagrams. Even though most of his posted diagrams are for letter series tractors, an original 6 volt 140 will be no different.

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Gary L. Lyons

07-27-2006 10:33:14




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-27-2006 03:40:14  
It has a 12 volt generator. The serial number is 36137 J. I looked at some listed in the tractor registry and it appears the tractor is a 1967.



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Hugh MacKay

07-27-2006 13:05:01




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Gary L. Lyons, 07-27-2006 10:33:14  
Gary: That is very reasonable, 1967 would have been 12 volt generator from the factory. I know my 140 is late 1963 model, one of the first to have 04-06 type grill. I have it written down somewhere,(cant lay my hands on it) but just a few hundred tractors after mine 12 volt was introduced.

If you have the right operators manual for your particular 140, it will contain an excellent wiring diagram. IH operator manuals have always had good wiring diagrams, but with a tractor like the 140 that changed over the years, you must get the right manual for that particular year.

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Janicholson

07-26-2006 20:31:52




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Gary L. Lyons, 07-26-2006 18:35:19  
There are few things that are horribly expensive to fix on a running tractor. We can help! we just need to find out specifics. Does it charge now, are the lights working is the battery staying up? let us know.
JimN



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Gary L. Lyons

07-27-2006 10:37:39




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Janicholson, 07-26-2006 20:31:52  
I cannot answer all those questions right now. I haven't put the battery in it yet. I have one charge up ready to install but it will probably be the first of the week before I try it out.



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K.B.-826

07-26-2006 19:26:23




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 Re: Farmall 140 electrical ? in reply to Gary L. Lyons, 07-26-2006 18:35:19  
Sounds like there's a parasitic draw on the battery. This could be caused by any number of things. Can you tell us a little more about the tractor? Does it have an alternator or a generator? Does it have any add-on's, like a radio?



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