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Steve Santini

06-01-2006 22:06:50




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I have been working my way thru a SA trying to get it running right. Have had a lot of helpful input from folks on this board and I thank everyone for that. Started with a rusty tank-sealed that. Rebuilt carb. Then governor springs.
Still running poorly. I can keep it running but it surges at higher speeds and just runs rough.
Today I started at the beginning and checked fuel- ok to carb. Checked points they are correct. Compression is 125 on all holes ( not exactly but 125, 120, 125, and 110) Plugs are Champ 16"s with only an hour at the most on them and they are covered with black carbon-look like the inside of chimney stovepipe. So that is one thing I found and another is the coil was so hot I couldn"t touch it, and the tractor had only run 10 minutes. So I am going to replace that and the condensor again. Tractor kind of whoofs thru the exhaust, has a little black smoke. Any ideas will sure be welcomed. Is it possible to have bad valves if the compression is like mine?
Also my NAPA store has a coil for 40.00 that does not require ballast resistor? Not sure what that means but is that pretty high for a coil?
OK I will quit -sorry for the long post this has been a frustrating battle! Steve

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Steve Santini

06-02-2006 11:18:21




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 Re: Super A Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-01-2006 22:06:50  
Thanks for all the info on my post. It really helps when you are out of ideas aaand ready to throw your hands in the air!
First of all I should have said the tractor is six volt with neg ground and neg side of coil to dist.. So that is correct, yes? And it is a six volt coil stamped on the coil.
The carb I put on is a rebuild that NAPA ordered for me but now I am wondering if I should take it apart and measure the float heighth? I have held my hand over the top of the air inlet tube and it feels like pretty good suction when running. I will pull the carb to air cleaner hose and check choke bfore to make sure it is open. There is little response with the carb adjustments till I shut the main fuel adjust. almost shut, then motor dies. I had been assuming it wouldn"t be the carb because someone smarter than me about carbs rebuilt this for a living so it should work, right? Maybe not. But if everything on the points, coil, ect. spark end is correct those 16 Champions should be hot enough, shouldn,t they? Wher to go now? Will go check points bfore I go in to get new coil to make sure they are ok-they are only an hour or two running time old. I'll check back I am open to any Ideas and I will share my progress!
Thanks Steve ND

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IndianaMike

06-02-2006 11:32:55




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 Re: Super A Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-02-2006 11:18:21  
Yeah, I just had that issue on an f-20 that the float wasn't shutting off the fuel and it would run rich. The black on the plugs is an indication that it is running rich also. The coil issue is a different story and I'm not really experienced with it. But from the sound of things, you have it hooked up properly, although originally it was probably a positive ground from all the posts I have read about. Also check the resistance across the terminals of the coil. It should be about 3 ohms, if its a lot lower than that it will pass too much current and become hot and burn the points VERY quickly. Michael Herkamp

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IndianaMike

06-02-2006 07:33:52




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 Re: Super A Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-01-2006 22:06:50  
Also check the float level on the carb. Can cause rich running if float level too big which causes gas to spill over the float bowl and into the intake. If the carb seems unresponsive to the needle valves to adjust it, it may be the float level. Hope this helps
Mike



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John T

06-02-2006 06:42:38




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 Re: Super A Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-01-2006 22:06:50  
Steve, a typical cause (unless coil is bad) of severe coil overheating (so hot cant lay hands on) is when one uses 12 volts on a 6 volt coil with no external ballast, thereby exceeding the coils current (and heat dissipation) rating PLUS the points would burn up prematurely. I dont think the condensor is the problem, if they are bad the points burn up quicker and the sparks weaker but I dont see that as any typical cause for the coil to overcurrent or overheat !!!! Also the black exhaust smoke sounds like youre running too rich which can fastly gas foul n carbon up the plugs,,,,, ,see below

If you have a 12 volt tractor ???? and are using a 6 volt coil, it would be MUCH cheaper to simply add an external voltage dropping (12 to 6) current reducing Ballast Resistor then to buy a full 12 volt rated coil. It wires in series in the ignition circuit after the ignition switch and ahead of the coil. Ideally, the Ballast ohms rating would be near the same as the coils primary winding resistance (measured between its lil + and - terminals) and typical ballast values are from 1.5 to 2 ohms or so easily available from NAPA or Tractor Supply or Rural King or IHC etc etc.

NOTE if you opt for the more expensive 12 volt coil (so no ballast is required) be sure and get a full 12 volt rated one thats DOES NOT require any external ballast. The coils that are labeled "12 volts for use with an external ballast" are in reality just 6 volt coils, you need a full 12 volt rated NOT requiring any external ballast.

NOTE Although a coil will still fire if wired at incorrect polarity, they run warmer and not as efficient plus yield a weaker spark. If youre at Positive ground the coils + wires to the distributor while if youre at Neg ground its - wires to the distributor.

If the plugs exhibit an even flat black colored sooty appearance, thats indicative of excess unburned fuel from running the carb set too rich and/or the chokes not fully open and/or theres a restriction in the air cleaner or air inlet piping, any of which can cause her to throw exces black smoke out the stack, does yours??? A weak spark can contribute to plug fouling also. It can help if you use thermostats or shutters or other radiator air restrictiosn to keep the engine temp up to 180 and over,,,,, ,use HOTTER PLUGS,,,,,dont run the carb over rich,,,,, keep the plugs n ignition n poin ts n condensor all up in good shape.

Let us know what happens

John T

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Brownie 45

06-02-2006 03:40:17




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 Re: Super A Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-01-2006 22:06:50  
Check for any kind of restriction in the air intake system. Try removing the air hose that connects to the carb intake & see what happens. If it runs better, you have a restriction in the air cleaner, or hose.



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gene bender

06-02-2006 03:00:36




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 Re: Super A Coil in reply to Steve Santini, 06-01-2006 22:06:50  
What are you running a 12v or the stock 6v. What is the polarity and where does the + term on the coil going?



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