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Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system

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combinekid

03-29-2006 22:42:48




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I have a 1948 H with Magnetio ingnition. I have been running it with no generator and been just using a 12volt battery to start it. I would like to install the 6 volt gen and hook up the charging system and lights. Can I do this with a 12 volt battery? I have heard that maybe it can be done with just switching some wires around on the gen? Also I heard that farmall H"s are supposed to be positive ground. Would this still be true with the 12 volt battery? Also were can a guy get new water pump packing for the end of the water pump?

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combinekid

03-30-2006 20:41:59




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to combinekid, 03-29-2006 22:42:48  
well I think I will need to explain myself a bit better. My H has a near new 12 volt battery on it. As for the generator I already have the origional six volt gen. My op manual shows a gen with the regulator mounted on it and one with it mounted else were on the tractor. My generator has the regulator mounted on the gen. At this point I'm trying to come up with the cheapest quickest way to get this tractor out spraying some weeds and charging. Seems like somewere I read that these old gen and starters are heavy enough to handle 12 volts if something is changed in the regulator. I thought this would be a cheap way to get the battery charging rather then spend the money to get a 12 volt alternator and rewire the tractor for it.

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Keith-OR

03-30-2006 08:36:19




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to combinekid, 03-29-2006 22:42:48  
Hey Combinekid, where you been, haven't seen you on much lately? You ever get your other tractor up running?

Email me, email is open. Have a friend in Benton City that might have a generator if you need one.

BTW, switch colors?? lol

Keith & Shawn



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BillyinStoughton

03-30-2006 07:30:01




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to combinekid, 03-29-2006 22:42:48  
Hey Combinekid! I'm with Hugh on this one too. I know there are some benefits with the 12V system, but if you already have all the components for 6V, why change? I have an H on 6V that started all winter long up here in Wisconsin...and that was on some of those -10 degree days!

I think the reason 6V systems get such a bad rap is it is not taken into account alot of these charging systems are original and have not been gone through (wiring or genny). Show me an alternator set up that wouldn't need some attention after 50+ years. I had my genny rebuilt for $28, invested another $30 in #1 gauge cable, and it's been a charmer ever since.

It truly does boil down to preference since there are some strong arguments for a 12V system, but done correctly, a 6V system is no more maintenance than a 12V.

Good luck!

Billy

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souNdguy

03-30-2006 06:50:21




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to combinekid, 03-29-2006 22:42:48  
I agree with the others... I'd stick the genny back on, polarize it, and go back with a 6v battery and good cables. When i bought my JD-B.. it had a 12v battery in it.. still ahd the 6v gen on it too.. I swapped the battery for a 6v, polarized the system and it was good to go.

A 2-brush genny with a regulator won't be a good candidate to charge a higher voltage battery. A 3-brush genny with 3rd brush adjustment, can charge 8v, and will be hit or miss as to weather it could charge 12v really well.

Soundguy

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Nat 2

03-30-2006 05:01:51




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to combinekid, 03-29-2006 22:42:48  
Go with 6 volt or 12 volt. Don't mix the two. You're just asking for problems.

It's not just "switch some wires around" to make a 6 Volt generator into a 12 Volt. Some 6 Volt generators will ALMOST charge a 12 Volt battery without major modification, but it's dumb luck finding one like that. It's a manufacturing defect, not a feature. You probably don't have one.

You need to answer a question for yourself: Do you want original, or modern? If you want the tractor to be original, go with a 6 Volt generator, regulator, battery on positive ground. Otherwise, go 12 Volt, buy an ALTERNATOR (around $50) and hook things up negative ground. The modern 12V system will be more reliable and will require less maintenance.

If you have to buy the generator and regulator, then there's no sense in wasting your money. An alternator will be cheaper, and then you don't have to buy a new battery.

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Hugh MacKay

03-30-2006 07:43:31




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to Nat 2, 03-30-2006 05:01:51  
Nat: Pray tell, what would be wrong with a 6 volt alternator. If you don't believe me go to google, type in 6 volt alternator and search. I've had a 6 volt alternator on my Super A for 13 years now. Went into an auto electric shop one day with my generator that had actually caught fire and was black, all the red paint was gone. I said,"I have a new 6 volt battery in the tractor, what is a quick fix." He said, "Quick with that old generator will be two weeks as I don't have the parts, quick with a new alternator will be 5 min. as I only need change one wire in a GM Delco alternator.

What a lot of folks don't realize here is there are two issues 6 volt versus 12 volt and if each are wired properly, either will start anyone of these gas Farmalls perfectly. The 2nd issue is charging and on that the alternator is far superior to the generator as it puts out more amps, and doesn't matter whether it be 6 volt or 12 volt. Also replacing an alternator is about 50% of the cost of a generator.

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Hugh MacKay

03-30-2006 03:35:07




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to combinekid, 03-29-2006 22:42:48  
Why in heavens name would want a 12 volt battery, in a 6 volt system. A 6 volt battery with proper cables and tractor tuned up, will start an H anywhere in there is areable land in North America, on the coldest day of the year. I once started a 6 volt Farmall 300 with no starting assists of any kind, at -40. In some respects my dad and I hoped it wouldn't start as someone was going to have to drive it, about 1/2 mile back to the farmstead. Guess who go elected.

I know folks will tell you 6 volt just requires too much maintainence. It just takes O gauge cables and once you have those, I see very little difference in the two. I have 3 offset Farmalls; one 6 volt and the other two are 12 volt. If three guys went into my unheated shop at -25F, I will almost guarentee the guy who picks the 6 volt Super A will be the first guy out the door, with a running tractor.

By the way, I just this spring replaced the 13 year old 6 volt battery in my Super A. Even up until last summer that 6 volt SA would out start my 12 volt 130 and 140 and they both have batteries less than 3 years old. That is the longest life I ever got from a battery. Over the years I farmed with 20 tractors, had a dozen trucks and cars. I'd have to give the edge to 6 volt batteries on life span.

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Yugrotcart

03-30-2006 13:00:32




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 Re: Farmall H 12 volt battery in 6 volt system in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-30-2006 03:35:07  
Not sure of the price of an alternator, but just paid $200 CDN to have my 6 volt genny rebuilt. Putting out about 15 amps now, works great, cutout relay and all. I wanted to keep it original, thats why I spent the bucks..... ...



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