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W-6 Kirk ,

03-23-2006 08:53:37

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How can you tell a regular W-6, from a super W-6?
I cant tell on mine,
Maybe it,s just a regular one with the optional hydralic,s on it?
I have the tube seat mount,& hydralic pump on front with hoses along the side of tractor,
But that,s it,
They dont go anywhere,and the filler tube on side of Hydro tank is capped off,
Filler tube on right side of tank
has a flat top with three little cap bolt,s on top of it,
Someone welded two filler tube,s to the left side of hydro tank,("Dumb"),
to evedently be able to see if the top of tank was full.
No hose,s going back to the rear end of tractor.
No Lever,No Nothing!are the hydro lever,s still available?
Or do I have to get one off of another W-6
I bought the farmall letter series book,
But it dosnt even have hardly any photo,s of
a tractor like mine,
It,s mostly farmall M,s,and the like,
All I have is the stancion under the back of seat
to hold the hose,s if they were there
Sheesh,Im stumped?
Need Help On This,
K,C,

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Harold H

03-23-2006 17:12:49

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Re: W-6 Foible.s? in reply to W-6 Kirk ,, 03-23-2006 08:53:37

Look at the serial number. W-6 number has WBK prefix. Super W-6 has SW-6 prefix.

Harold H

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chadd

03-23-2006 11:08:17

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Re: W-6 Foible.s? in reply to W-6 Kirk ,, 03-23-2006 08:53:37

Sorry, I was going to post this sooner, but I couldn't get on the site briefly. I also appologize in advance for the long post.
Differences between W6 and Super W6:
Super W6's were equipped with W9 front wheels standard. These wheels were options for all but the last run of W6's
Super W6's had a C-263 4 cylinder, W-6's had a C-248 4 cylinder
The Super W6 has higher ground speeds in each gear when compared to a W6
Later Super W6's used a channel front frame similar to the Farmall letter series tractors. Early Super W6's and all W6's used a cast tub for the front frame.
W6's all used a solid bar with a small spring for a seat(most were changed out). Super W6's I believe had the option for a seat more like that of an M with a shock absorber and a spring.
All Super W6's were equipped with a 12" Rockford clutch. Some W6's were equipped with it, but most used Rockford 11" clutches, however, there were a few with Auburn 11 inchers.
Super W6's all had IH double disc brakes, while only the last of the W6's got them. A few W6's were equipped with an aftermarket company's disc brakes from the factory.
All Super W6's had the flat sealed beam headlights, while the W6's used the bullet shaped replaceable bulb type headlights.
The serial number plate on a W6 will simply say W6, while the Super W6 would have something stamped into the plate to designate the fact that it is a Super.
The hydraulic systems were pretty much identical between the Supers and the W6's. Both were live. From the sounds of it, you have the pump, the reservoir, and the relief valve (under the cap with 3 bolts). What you need to complete the system would be the hoses to the back of the tractor, the remote couplers, and the control valve, which is the same for an M or W6, except that the M's was located next to the gas tank on the right hand side and was operated by a rod, while the W6's was operated by a hand lever. Not sure where it was located on the tractor, but I believe it was on the left side of the seat.
You may want to get a parts manual for it to find out what is all missing. You will more than likely not find a picture of the setup in a tractor book because 1)there were very few standards compared to Farmalls 2)there are very few books written about the standard treads exclusively 3)many W6's didn't have hydraulics, as they were usually used for small chore tasks with older equipment that didn't require or have a provision for hydraulics. Also, the hydraulic attachment for the W6 first was released around 1950, which was towards the end of the W6 production. The M's was available by 1940, which was well before the M overtook the H as the most popular IH on a yearly basis. Good luck with your tractor.

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Quebec Red

03-23-2006 16:29:46

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Re: W-6 Foible.s? in reply to chadd, 03-23-2006 11:08:17

Good info,Chadd. Possibly the live (and only ) hydraulic system was available earlier than 1950, like in 1947 or maybe 1948? Always was under the impression that the W-4 and W-6 factory hyds. were offered then. Now in the next breath, when the W series hyds. came out, why did IH not put that same system on the Hs and Ms, instead of waiying until 1953? Had they that big of a paid up inventory of belly pumps? Was somebody getting a commision from Lift-All pumps? Never got a good answer to that question.. ,,,,QR..

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P Backus

03-23-2006 09:16:09

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Re: W-6 Foible.s? in reply to W-6 Kirk ,, 03-23-2006 08:53:37

It sounds like an aftermarket hyd system to me- one that"s missing parts too. Does this tractor have a serial tag yet? I assume that it has the cast "bath tub" frame, as opposed to the channel frame rails. What size are the front tires? 16" or 18"? If you can"t post a picture here, could you e-mail me one? Is there oil in the reservoir? Where do the hoses go from the pump? One should come from the reservoir, and the other goes to the hydraulic spool. From there, another hose goes back to the reservoir. It sounds like you don"t even have a spool on this tractor, right? If there"s no oil in the system, the pump is probably shot. You said that the fill tube on the right side has a flange on top with 3 cap screws? It could be that that is where the spool was mounted, eliminating the need for a hose from the spool to the reservoir. If I have time today, I"ll try to get some pics of 2 different hyd systems I have on 2 different W-6s and e-
mail them to you.
Paul

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Kirk in kansas,

03-24-2006 05:43:22

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Re: W-6 Foible.s? in reply to P Backus, 03-23-2006 09:16:09

Hi P,Backus,
Yea there is oil in the resivoir,
The hyd line,s go back from the pump in front
to the tank under the gas tank,
But then thier capped off from going any further,
Nothing go,s under seat, or out the back,
This is what,s funny,
I went & looked yesterday morning at tractor,
and all I saw was that capped off fitting on side of hyd tank,w/ another elbow underneath
that piece with a little threaded square plug in it.
It,s like a person undid it,and then just left it there with nothing on it.
Tractor had a loader on it,
But was using a plate with the hyd lever elbow,s
bolted to it on top,and then it was bolted to inside of left fender on a pipe,sheesh!
This loader was real crude,and the hyd line,s were just hanging along the left side of tractor
tied to the steering rod so they woudnt sway in the wind I think,or something,shoot,I dont know?
And get this,
Someone welded tab,s onto the front axle top on each side so it woudnt have any give in front on the front leaf spring,( stupid)!
Then On top of that they,(Idont know who),
welded a steering cylinder onto the right side,
On the radius rod,with the metal wound steering lines going along the side underneath the radius rod,then welded flat top tab,s onto the top of axle on end,s for something, i dont dont?
and welded a rod onto the pittman arm,that connect,s to that silly hyd cylinder,
with a power steering pump from a chevy mounted to a bar on left side of tractor behind grille,
This older guy told me that someone had tried to put power steering on it,I guess with that loader on it,and bigger front mud tire,s size 7,50,16
to handle it all,
Crappy design,crappy looking.
If you ,or anyone else see, anything like this?
Do yourself a favor, Run like heck away from it,and dont look back,
All It does is cause grief in trying to undo someone else,s mistake,s.
so in a nutshell,that,s what ive been dealing with on this W-6,
Ohh yea, I forgot,
The person that did this to the tractor also cut a hole in the front right side of hood to make room for an alternator when they switched it from 6 to 12 volt,arghhhh!
The person that did all this junk to this W-6 should be tarred, and feathered to the max,
and then thrown in the grey bar hotel,(jail).
HAHA,,
But you know what I mean.
Stay in touch,ok,
Kirk C,

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