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Marv

03-13-2006 20:17:15




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I need some advice on a GN trailer purchase. I'm wanting to haul two SM Farmalls. Would a 20 foot double axel trailer with a 14000 GVW be adequate? I plan to pull it with a 2004 F250 Diesel. The blue boys are as thick as fleas on a dog's back around here so I want to be legal. Are electric trailer brakes the way to go?




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CNKS

03-14-2006 18:29:55




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to Marv, 03-13-2006 20:17:15  
Many detailed replys below -- but you are the one who needs to determine that. You need to know separate weights of the tractors and trailer. If the combined weight is 14000 lbs or less then you are legal, as far as the trailer -- I don't think you will be. Regardless you need to know the weights and not take a guess of this forum, too many "opinions". I don't think you can get two Super M's on a 20 foot trailer. AND you need to know the CGVW, or the combined weight of the truck and trailer, so you also need the LOADED truck weight -- that includes you wife, dog, luggage, and anything else you have in that truck. The more in the truck, the LESS you can tow. You also need to know if your PSD will pull that much weight, having only a half ton, I can't answer that, but when I do tow, I am legal.

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captaink

03-14-2006 09:22:42




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to Marv, 03-13-2006 20:17:15  
Well, I just hauled two M’s home one with a loader and fluid the other bare with a trailer behind by 94 Powerstroke. I borrowed a 28 ft beaver tail double axle dully trailer and the one tractor barely was hanging on. The whole rig weighed in right at 28,000 pounds and it was a load especially pulling hills!

As far as electric brakes, they work ok with a good controller, but I think there are better systems out there. A trailer only 20 ft long is short if it is a beaver tail because you only have about 16 ft of deck. Although I much prefer a gooseneck to a bumper hitch trailer, the GN is a much higher load and center of gravity. Not that this is a problem, just something to keep in mind.

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the tractor vet

03-14-2006 10:29:09




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to captaink, 03-14-2006 09:22:42  
You are missing the point of a 14000 lb gross of the trailer it is not put 14000 on the axels and a somemore on the truck this is not the way it works when they say the trailer is made for 14000 then that is what they mean total , and yes you can get away with it but then you have way tomuch on the back axel of the truck and this can lead to and axel failure or bending of the rear axel . somost 3/4 ton heavy duty signal wheel pickups with a floater rear axel has a gvw of from 82-9400 at best gvw then take away from that the weight of the truck say like for a 4x4 anywhere between 5400-to over 6000 lbs and what do you have then there is the GCVW and from what i remember it still is not even close to what ou are tryen to pull and yes we have all done that . My 88 F350 4X4 dual rear wheel 460 5 speed 4.10 gear had a gcvw of only 17500 the bad part was that the truck weighed in at 7500 then the 28 foot tandem dual that i have weighs in at guess what 7500 with chains and binders spare tire and wheel and breakaway battery so now i have a 15000 liteweight so legaly i can only put 2500 pounds on the trailer but now take the gross weight of the truck that was 11500 and a trailer gross of 18000 that comes up to 29500 so now what i am over what ford sayes i can gross but under what it can haul this is where they can get ya and if involved in a weck you are at fault because you exceeded the GCVWand there for even though at firts the wreck was not your fault it is now because you did something wrong , that is how they look at it today BTDT . If you guys only knew what i went thru from a wreck 16 years ago that i did everything i could to stay out of it the he** that i went thru as they were going to nail me to the cross for viehickular homicided because the truck i was driving had a snow plow on it and i had installed 12x16.5 tires and first they were tryen to nail me because of the snowplow mounting brackets as they said that i altered the truck well the truck was bought new from Ford as a plow truck with a plow on it from the dealer then the tryed to get me for bumper hight as there books only listed bumper hight for a 2wd not a 4x4 well i had to go to a ford dealer and did thru all the old books to get the body builder book for a 79 f250 and take it to the patrol and show them that the truck was not jacked up then they started on the tires well since a 7.50x16 is 31 inches tall and the 12x16.5 were 31 inches tall they dropped that but it was pure he** and i was off the right side of the road going down tru a ditch tryen to get away from this kid that lost it left of center while drag racen his buddy i just was in the wrong place at the wrong time and driven 48 mph in a 55 mph zone but they were going to hang me . So in other words alway cover your donkey .

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26Red

03-14-2006 11:44:45




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to the tractor vet, 03-14-2006 10:29:09  
that was a tough lesson to learn...I might be thinking twice about buying a bigger out fit to haul stuff... skip the 1 ton and go to a semi truck.



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the tractor vet

03-14-2006 12:13:31




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to 26Red, 03-14-2006 11:44:45  
Anymore today you are Damed if ya do and damed if you don't it has come down to the fact that that anyway to get a dollar out of ya they will find it . Back a couple years ago i told a bunch of guys that they needed acdl to drive there one ton's pullen there owen trailrs haullen there pullen tractors and they did not believe me TILL ONE GOT NAILED on the turn pike they impounded his truck trailer and tractor towed it to and impound lot and he had to get someone to go up and get it and show proof that he had a cdl then as he was leaving the impound lot they stopped him and wrote him up for not Phisical card. no triangels and no fire extungisher . i am tellen ya ya just can't win . Now what would maske me a good trailer toter would be like a 4900 I H now that should cover all the GCVW's along with vac hdy brakes. it has the rating and has the stoppen power . The head service manager for Dexter axels told me that the electric brake is NOT DESIGED TO STOP YOU IT IS JUST TO SLOW YOU DOWN and that the truck brakes are what is suppose to do the stoppen . well on my 88 ford on hot days over 80 degrees the brakes would fail after a long pull as the exhuast pipe on the let side would boil the brake fluid in the antiloc control valve and force it all back up into the master cylinder and when you would come down on the pedal it would go to the floor and the only way to get brakes back was to go back to the right rear wheel and bleed the brakes and you would not believe the air that would come out. then ya had brakes till you got here hot again and even with the big brakes on the trailer it would slow down but not realy stop ya. I even made up a heat sheild it helped but it still did it every once in a while so i never realy trusted them .

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26Red

03-14-2006 14:39:11




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to the tractor vet , 03-14-2006 12:13:31  
What state do you live in? OH, PA, or NY.. Remind me never to pull a trailer through there...



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Nat 2

03-14-2006 04:59:06




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to Marv, 03-13-2006 20:17:15  
Unless the tractors are both narrow front so you can park them facing each other, with the engines side-by-side on the trailer, 20' isn't going to be long enough for both tractors, either.



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JakeF

03-13-2006 22:19:46




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to Marv, 03-13-2006 20:17:15  
If you get the S M"s down to about 5500 lbs each you can make it leagal if the GCWR of the PU is in limit and the trailer isn"t to heavy. You can have 14K on the trailer axles plus 1500-2000 lbs on the pickup from the trailer. The trick will be getting the weight in the right place. Just get a tandem dualie trailer and be ready for the next PU thats a 1 ton.



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the tractor vet

03-13-2006 20:29:28




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 Re: GN trailer in reply to Marv, 03-13-2006 20:17:15  
No with two S/M's on you will be over , just because it says that it is 14000 GVW that means load and trailer together so that trailer is going to weigh in over 4000 lbs and i do believe that a F250 GCVW is not that high now i could be wrong on that . Haulen one tractor would be ok and myself i do not care for electric brakes myself i have them now but it will be the last next time it will be vac. over hdy. disc. or if i can find what i am looken for then i'll get a step deck and have air brakes . Then i know it will stop.

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