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Magneto vs. battery ignition

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EH in KS

02-20-2006 19:44:53




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I recently purchased my first H. It has a battery and points ignition. I have had trouble with the points. Is it possible to just swap for a magneto type ignition? Are they lower maintenance? I also read that these tractors are positive ground, but the guy I bought it from had it hooked up as negative ground. What do I do? Any help would be appreciated.
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EH




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Kendall

02-21-2006 08:23:05




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:44:53  
As others have suggested, make sure your coil either has a ballast resistor or is designed with internal resistor. Sometimes it says on the side of the coil if resistor is needed or has internal resistor. Also, replace the condensor. It's job is to keep the points from arcing when they open and close. The ballast resistor keeps too much current from going through the coil and points contact surface.

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captaink

02-21-2006 07:00:44




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:44:53  
I’m going to tie some of the other posts together for you.

The H was originally 6 volt, positive grounded electrical system. It sounds like yours has been converted to a 12 volt negative ground system and probably an alternator. When the conversion is done either the coil needs to be changed to one rated to work on a 12 volt system, or a ballast resistor has to be installed between the switch and the coil. This lowers the voltage to the coil to about 6 volts and is done to prevent the points from “burning out” very prematurely.

If the conversion is wired right, the points should last at the very least a year (unless you run it 24/7-52 then they might only last half a year. You can convert to a magneto which is self contained, then the voltage and polarity will not affect the ignition system. Magnetos are dependable, but have an impulse in them to retard the spark for starting, especially hand cranking. Many converted away from them to the battery distributor because “kicking” (the engine spinning backwards from too early a spark) was less frequent with the distributor than with the mag.

You probably have more questions now, feel free to post them, someone will answer them for you.

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El Toro

02-21-2006 04:22:59




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:44:53  
If the tractor has been converted to 12 volts and
you are still using the 6 volt coil without a ballast resistor this may be why your points don't last. Hal



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gene bender

02-21-2006 02:05:46




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:44:53  
Should be 6v with positive ground with the + post of the coil going to the dist. To polorize the gen just touch the batt terminal of the regulator to the ARM term on the gen it should draw a small spark as you just momentary touch the two terminals with a piece of wire. My mag tractors cause no problems and the dist should be trouble free also.



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billde

02-20-2006 20:32:44




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:44:53  
Is the charging system working? If so just make sure that the neg side of the coil is connected to the dist and your points should be fine. If your ammeter is reading discharge at high idle, let us know. No, don't switch to magneto, distributors are easier and cheaper to fix.



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MAGMAN

02-21-2006 11:33:13




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to billde, 02-20-2006 20:32:44  
BULL PUCKY jon



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billde

02-21-2006 13:32:46




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to MAGMAN, 02-21-2006 11:33:13  
No offense meant Magman, I should have said easier for most people to fix. Checking coils and setting advance on a mag is a little more complicated than changing points on a distributor.



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MagMan

02-22-2006 05:14:12




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to billde, 02-21-2006 13:32:46  
OK I will acept that one. The old timers udsed to say it was to exspencive to fix Mags and with a coil costing $80.00 I agree. But Now I can go through one with a coil and new tune up parts for $50.00 and it easier to me than setting the dwell on my SM. JON



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Bob

02-20-2006 19:51:48




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:44:53  
There's no reason to have much point trouble.

A good set of points, with a new condensor should run for YEARS.

Is it still a 6-Volt system?

If so, either switch the polarity (then polarize the generator before restarting the engine), ot swap the 2 primary wires on the coil, if you choose to leave it (-) ground.



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EH in KS

02-20-2006 19:58:21




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to Bob, 02-20-2006 19:51:48  
It is still a 6 volt system. how do i polarize the generator?



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jossette

02-20-2006 20:03:27




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to EH in KS, 02-20-2006 19:58:21  
see if the battery has 3 cells or 6. if there are only three you should make it positive ground.

If there are 6 cells, there is probably a ballast (porcelin) resistor that is bad and will not let you start it.



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Nat 2

02-21-2006 05:20:09




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to jossette, 02-20-2006 20:03:27  
Most people don't know how to count the cells in a lead-acid battery.

If it's a sealed maintenance-free type, it's almost certainly a 12V battery.

Otherwise, count the number of caps on the top of the battery. That will tell you how many cells it has. 3 caps = 3 cells = 6V battery.

BTW, the ground doesn't matter unless you have a particularly violent faction of the "originality police" living in your area. As long as it works, LEAVE IT ALONE.

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CNKS

02-21-2006 19:54:06




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 Re: Magneto vs. battery ignition in reply to Nat 2, 02-21-2006 05:20:09  
Except that the voltage regulator, if original or an OEM replacement will say 6 volt positive ground on it. I asked a long time magneto and generator person about that and he said the two sets of points in the regulator were made of different materials and would not last as long with negative ground. Otherwise, as you say it makes no difference.



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