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Ardie

12-23-2005 07:07:03




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I'm converting my 1950 Farmall H to 12 volt. I've read most of the articles on the archives, but I have a couple of questions. I'm useing the Hitachi #14231 alternator. I put a new 12 volt coil that requires no external resistor. I have Bob M's diagram. It says the Hitachi has built in requlator and resister to keep battery from feeding back to the alternator. I used jumper wire from S spade to Battery post. Do I need a wire from the alternator to the positive of the coil?? I'm assuming I do not. If I do,does it connect to the L spade. I'm also assuming I Do Not need a light or diode to keep from backfeeding. Also the wire from the pull switch connects to the positive or negative side of the ammeter??? Thanks for your help.

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len 650

12-23-2005 19:34:32




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Ardie, 12-23-2005 07:07:03  
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hope this helps a little



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farmallhal

12-23-2005 19:12:43




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Ardie, 12-23-2005 07:07:03  
Ardie, I converted my 1951 Farmall H to the Hitachi #14231 alternator last year. I followed Bob's wiring diagram except I put a 10 watt-10 ohm resistor from Radio Shack in lieu of the warning light. I used a ballast resistor in the feed to the coil as shown in Bob's diagram. I also ran the wires exactly like Bob's diagram between the alternator, ammeter and ignition switch. I believe I need to install a diode in the circuit L terminal to ignition switch as my tractor will continue to run after pushing the switch to off unless the throttle is closed all the way down to slow idle. It may be because I used the resistor in place of the light but don't really know. Other folks have had this problem and the diode was required to rectify the problem. You do not need to run a wire directly from the Bat terminal to the coil as that feed needs to come through the ammeter and the ignition Push - Pull switch as shown in Bob's diagram. Bob's diagram uses a 1 and 2 terminal on the alternator. The 1 is same as the L for light and 2 is same as the S for sense. Hope this helps and if you want more "lessons learned" from my installation just drop an emial and I'll be happy to share. Hal

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El Toro

12-23-2005 11:14:25




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to Ardie, 12-23-2005 07:07:03  
I don't think you need a wire from the alternator to the coil. Your ignition wire from your ignition switch should go to the + on the coil. If you're using a - negative ground on the battery, the - negative side of your coil goes to the distributor. I'll let BOB M or John answer your other wiring questions. You do not want it to be wired wrong and pop a diode in your alternator. It will do that in an instant. Hal

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John T

12-23-2005 12:04:09




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 Re: 12 volt conversion in reply to El Toro, 12-23-2005 11:14:25  
Ardie, I have absolutely no data on that Hitachi Alternator but can offer some general info regardless. I pretty much agree with Hal that I doubt you need any wires to the coil etc (see below)

1. The only reason on the more commonly used GM 10SI family of alternators a wire ran from the coil to the alternator and a diode was needed to prevent backfeeding the ignition, was cuz the ignition feed circuit was only hot when the Ignition was ON and that was used to excite the GM alternators. If thats not an issue on the Hitachi (i.e. no external excitation is required) theres no need for any wires or resistors or diodes etc. from the alternator to the coil.

2. If the tractor uses an ammeter, the big main alternator output would wire to its load (NOT to battery/starter) terminal instead of direct to the battery so current into or out of the battery is properly measured. If no ammeter or a voltmeter is used, then the alternators main output would wire to the battery.

3. On the GM alternators, the batterys voltage is sensed on its lil No 2 side terminal which is supposed to wire to the battery, but we cheat and tie it to the main output. Im not sure if that Hitachi needs any external voltage sense indicator or not?????

I guess the bottom line is to wire the alternators big main output either to the battery or via the series ammeter if it uses one,,,,, ,,,no need to wire to coil or use any diodes or ballast if the Hitachi dont require any excitation voltage source,,,,, ,,If it requires a voltage sensor circuit, that could wire to the battery or be cheated off the main output which gets to the battery eventually.

NOTE If anyone is familiar with that Hitachi alternaotr do as they say over me.

John T

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