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M Nut

12-19-2005 10:06:41




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My brother is looking at purchasing one of these tractors. It has been gone through, motor, TA, brand new paint and brand new radial tires. Nothing was not either checked or replaced. Looks like new and runs like new. Questions I have are, are these a dependable tractor? Any quirks? To be used for running a 9ft haybine, v-rake, 336 JD square baler with thrower. Will it do well with these machines?
Now price. $10,000 and not one cent less. I thought it sounded a little high for an IH, Deeres seem to be higher in resale price, but I don't know the cost of redoing an IH tractor. Please let me know what you think is a fair price for this tractor.
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Mapleridge

12-19-2005 18:53:45




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
I have run a 686 with a d312 non hydro for the last 10 years and it is a great tractor. We have 3 JDs and 2 IHs and this is my father's favorite. Good power, smooth engine, nice operators station, good hydraulics. I do think $10,000 is a bit high unless you know the condition of more than the engine and ta. Make sure the hydraulics are in good shape by hooking both the remotes and the three point hitch to something. When working properly, they are quick and powerfull. Make sure the ta or shift handle doesn't hit the metal guards in any gear (it is adjustable). Connect to a PTO attachment. The PTO should engage smoothly. It is about the best control lever on a tractor I have found. Check the brakes. They are dry disks and have a tendancy to grab when cold and need to be adjusted periodically. The can work very good, or they can work very bad depending on condition. Other things to look for that I have had to fix: tie rod ends, slop in the front axle supports, slop in the rear axle clamps (drive down the road and make sure the rear tires are spinning true), slop in the Draw bar supports (draw bar has a raised support in front making it rock a bit more than a straight one), check the clutch by riding it a bit. It shouldn't surge. Overall it is a great tractor and cheap parts are readilly available but is at 30 years old.

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K.B.-826

12-19-2005 16:30:55




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
If it"s as good as they say it is, $10,000 is not high, not by a long shot. Most average 686"s sell for around $7000. With most C-IH and JD dealers charging around $60 an hour for labor, you could end up with more than $10,000 into an average 686 just making it into a decent 686. We had a 310-powered 686 for about five years, only reason we got rid of it is because we needed somthing with 540/1000 RPM PTO. I put a ton of hours on that machine, really liked it.

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tator

12-19-2005 16:03:03




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
good tractor. have 1 with over 12,000 hrs. only drawback i have is the torque, however with what youre going to use it for it would work great. ours does everything tillage, hay, and feeding. we did have to rebuild the motor at around 10,000 hrs. that may have been avoided if i had not found out how to turn the pump up. ours has a 310 motor and had it dynoed at 110 hp without a turbo. she would pull an 18ft field cultivator at 9 mph. it blow a lot of smoke and fire. very dependable tractor.

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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2005 13:43:50




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
If the tractor is as good as you say, then $10,000. is reasonable, providing it's diesel. You can't buy a new tractor with that kind of credentials anymore. I owned, and this was back when they were new, 300, 560D and 656D. There is not a better 9' haybine or baler tractor out there than 656, 666 or 686. My neighbor had a MF-135, and they were an agile, very manuverable little tractor. He used to call my 656 an ark. I said, " that may well be, but the 656 is just as agile and manuverable as your 135 plus I can pull 4 and 5 bottom 16" plows". Make sure tractor is diesel, that kind of power in a gasser will be a heavy drinker.


You can also spend that kind of dollars rebuilding most tractors in that hp class. You know what dealer is telling you, let him put his money where his mouth is and give you a warrenty. You will enjoy many many years of service from this tractor. If I were going farming and needed 65 hp, I wouldn't hesitate putting $15,000 or $20,000. into a 656D, 666D or 686D, that would give you like new quality. Casey said Allan has more than $10,000 in his tractor, don't be surprised if he is approaching my figure.

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Allan in NE

12-19-2005 14:33:10




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-19-2005 13:43:50  
Hugh,

What the heck is going on? Been agreein' with ya all day. :>)

I've got something like $13K in mine and would gladly drop $17K or so on another if it had already been danced thru.

One of the sweetest tractors I've ever been aboard and one of the reasons I bought this Hydro too (basically the same tractor).

Trouble is, the gas hydro has been thru 15 gallon of gas just running it in and outta the darned shop. Wouldn't want to pull a gasser too darn hard or for too long. :>(

Allan

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Hugh MacKay again

12-19-2005 15:35:53




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to Allan in NE, 12-19-2005 14:33:10  
Allan: Another thing I always liked about the 6, is if that was all the hp one required they were far more economical hp than 7, 8, 9, 10, etc. Just not near the fancy bells and whistles to go wrong.

I called the 560D and 656D the most economical hp I ever farmed with. 560 was just a bit clumsy and cumbersome compared to the 656, 666 and 686 but was right in there on the economy end.



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Hugh MacKay

12-19-2005 15:04:22




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to Allan in NE, 12-19-2005 14:33:10  
Allan: You and I actually agree on a lot of things, I'm just not as prolific as you about stating them. I read most of what you have to say, now I ask you, how often do I disagree?

Where we tend to disagree, is I come here to YT wanting to know how they grow those big corn crops in IA, peanuts in GA, lettuce in CA, etc. the list goes on and on and on. You tend to be quite content with whats happening on the great plain. My dad and I were at an auction once, he saw me talking with a guy. He said, "Where did you meet that guy?" I said, " over by that NH baler." Dad had it figured If I lived to be 90, I would be acquainted with more folks than anyone else on earth.

I'm just trying to encourage you to broaden your ag horisons, it can be a rewarding experience. I once milked a 100 cows, how often do you see me discussing cows, been there and done that, we must move on.

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dhermesc

12-19-2005 10:55:50




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
It is high, but then if it is truly as good as you say (any warranties on all that work?) it is somewhat within reason (still high). If the person (dealership?) truly believes it is as good as they claim a warranty should be offered. Seen a lot of decent 656 diesels sell in the $5000 range, but nothing as nice as what you have described.

It will easily handle everything you listed and do it long after the baler, rake and haybine are worn out. The only way to make something like that pay is to use it. As for quirks, you know about the TA, after that they are rock solid.

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dhermesc

12-19-2005 11:02:51




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to dhermesc, 12-19-2005 10:55:50  
If they won't come down, have him look at this tractor.


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M Nut

12-19-2005 10:47:16




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
Sorry, It's a diesel. With Allen's help I figured out it is a 312 engine.



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caseyc

12-19-2005 10:28:25




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 Re: 686 IH opinions needed in reply to M Nut, 12-19-2005 10:06:41  
allen"s got alot more than that in his.....if it"s as nice as you represent then it"s worth it. good tractors. you didn"t say if it gas or diesel? it will easily handle everything you want to do with it and lots more.

casey in SD



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