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scott#2

12-04-2005 04:55:36




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I know its been discussed to death on this forum but I was talking to an old IH friend of mine the other day and he said he always used IH oil in all his machines ever since he had problems with a IH Scout.

He said that one day he changed his oil out with Quaker State and then his Scout began leaking around the covers and pan. He also said it began using/burning oil as well. Then he changed it back to IH oil and everything corrected its'self. I am wondering if I should use it in my IH tractors.

I noticed this on my other SA as well. When I went to another brand of oil, it started seeping out of the pan that I had just sealed up, and I know how to put on pan gaskets. I couldn't believe it was weaping oil. I was at the dealer the other day and I see IH detergent and I believe some low ash oil??. Does anyone use this stuff? And what is the difference/benifits between these product's and say regular old 30 wt. from an auto store?

I sure wish there was 1 type of engine oil, one type of trans and 1 type of hyd fluid I can run in all my machines instead of having all these different products around. 5 tractors 6 vehicles and who knows how many small gas engines.

Thanks Again,

scott#2

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NDS

12-04-2005 08:36:01




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 Re: IH oil in reply to scott#2, 12-04-2005 04:55:36  
It will certainly do no harm to use IH LABELED oil. I have been around IH equipment for almost 60 years and can not remember ever seeing IH motor oil and everyones equipment seemed to do OK. Have neighbor that has 15/20 Case/IH tractors, highboys, combines and cotton pickers and they use Chevron.



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PAULIH300

12-04-2005 06:55:18




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 Re: IH oil in reply to scott#2, 12-04-2005 04:55:36  
IH does not make its own oil.Case does not have any refineries or oil wells.Thus,all petroleum that Case,IH,JD,Kubota,NAPA,Car Quest,Wal Mart,Pep Boys,Advance,GM,Ford,Chrysler,Harley Davidson,Honda,Suzuki,Yamaha....etc...etc sells is made by someone else.You never know who,because as Wal Mart does,the contracts are re negoiated almost yearly.If one blender doesnt meet their price requirements,they will switch suppliers.Harley oil is made by Quaker State,as is GM oil.Parts Plus oil is blended by Amalie.Wal Mart uses a packaging company not a major oil producer.So,who makes IH oil? Can you not guarantee its not the same stuff as the $1.75 oil down at the parts store? You cant.If you only go by the API ratings,almost any oil will meet the same specs.It doesnt tell the whole story.
If an oil is blended without seal swell additives,you can get leaks.Usually only the cheapest stuff is lacking some of the essentials.But thats rare today.

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Pale Rider

12-04-2005 20:19:35




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 Re: IH oil in reply to PAULIH300, 12-04-2005 06:55:18  
It makes no difference WHO makes IH oil as long as it is made to IH specifications. I have never heard of seal swell additives or their affects on leaks. I DO know however that some oils with very high detergents such as Caterpillar oil will cause an engine that had never experienced lead to suddenly begin to do so since the detergents remove the oil and accumulated sediments around the gaskets. I have seen it more than once.

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PAULIH300

12-05-2005 02:51:04




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 Re: IH oil in reply to Pale Rider, 12-04-2005 20:19:35  
If its a modern oil,they all have detergents.Its why there is a filter there...to collect the crap the oil carries along.To a degree all oil is the same,its just the percent of additives is slightly different.



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Pale Rider

12-05-2005 06:11:04




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 Re: IH oil in reply to PAULIH300, 12-05-2005 02:51:04  
Non detergent oil is available and made specifically for older machines. For decades before detergents were added all the dirt and particles simply settled to the bottom of the oil pan. To suddenly start using a detergent oil in such a situation loosens deposits and begins to suspend the years of accumulations often in large pieces, sometimes sending them where they should not go and clogging an oil passage, to say nothing of its affect on very old seals and gaskets.

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Dave BN

12-04-2005 06:53:35




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 Re: IH oil in reply to scott#2, 12-04-2005 04:55:36  
I use IH low ash oil and have been very happy with it. My old tractors seem to use less oil and have better oil pressure using this oil. Dave.



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Geoff NY

12-04-2005 06:21:42




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 Re: IH oil in reply to scott#2, 12-04-2005 04:55:36  
Great information as always, and low ash is produced specifically for LP gas applications.



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Dellbertt

12-04-2005 05:46:52




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 Re: IH oil in reply to scott#2, 12-04-2005 04:55:36  
Multi viscosity oils are one of the great improvements in oils, but they should be chosen wisely. Always use a multi grade with the narrowest span of viscosity that is appropriate for the temperatures you are going to encounter. In the winter base your decision on the lowest temperature you will encounter, in the summer, the highest temperature you expect. The polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking and other problems. 10W-40 and 5W-30 require a lot of polymers(synthetics excluded) to achieve that range. This has caused problems in diesel engines, but fewer polymers are better for all engines. The wide viscosity range oils, in general, are more prone to viscosity and thermal breakdown due to the high polymer content. It is the oil that lubricates, not the additives. Oils that can do their job with the fewest additives are the best.

Very few manufacturers recommend 10W-40 any more, and some threaten to void warranties if it is used. It was not included in this article for that reason. 20W-50 is the same 30 point spread, but because it starts with a heavier base it requires less viscosity index improvers (polymers) to do the job. AMSOIL can formulate their 10W-30 and 15W-40 with no viscosity index improvers but uses some in the 10W-40 and 5W-30. Other multigrade synthetics may not use VI improvers either. The full literature available from the oil company should include this information. Follow your manufacturer"s recommendations as to which weights are appropriate for your vehicle.

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billyiron

12-04-2005 05:25:49




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 Re: IH oil in reply to scott#2, 12-04-2005 04:55:36  
I aint no oil expert, but Ive been using IH No1-15-40 for a long time,and in every thing I own diels pickups, gas pickups,semis,combines , I have not had any trouble ever, my 2cents,,billy



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