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140 front axle adjustment troubles

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Dion

09-17-2005 10:31:48




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I have installed a Woods L306A belly mower under my 140. Before installing the very expensive belt I took it for a test drive to make sure it rode correctly.
I found the front wheels hit the gage wheels of the mower. I cannot move the mower back or the belt will not be tight.
I have removed all of the clamps, pins and bolts from the axle, cleaned and lubricated the openings but cannot get the inner sleeves to move. This tractor was used to cultivate and was stored outside so there is a bit of rust.
My question is, how can I get the sleeves to pull out of the outer axle?
I have tried a come along and hammer but to no avail.

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Hugh MacKay

09-17-2005 13:52:43




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to Dion, 09-17-2005 10:31:48  
Dion: First, are you sure there is no other positioning for the gauge wheels? My mower is a 59, and I know I could set tractor wheels in any position and there would not be a problem. Could you have the mounting for mower and belt routing wrong? Could you have the wrong belt for your tractor? On an offset Farmall mower can either be driven directly from pto or from a V pulley mounted on belt pulley shaft. I suspect those two options use different belts.

The front axle tubes could be stuck very solid. I have had to completely remove the front axle, remove wheels and tires from it. With the use of two acetylene torches, heat the center tube until red hot, and yes still had to use come alongs. I thought for sure this would destroy strength of center tube. That was 15 years ago and its still on tractor. The rust inside that one was actually a layer.

When you have it apart clean the tubes, inner and outer, then apply paint or spray type graphite. Do not use grease.

I still believe that mower will work without changing front wheel setting of tractor. That 306A by Woods with proper kit for mounting on the Farmall 140, will fit and work, regardless of wheel setting front or rear. You have something not right, either mounting kit or wrong belt.

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Dion

09-18-2005 04:08:06




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-17-2005 13:52:43  
Hi Hugh, I noticed that you have quite a few postings regarding the 140/Super A type tractor in the history so I feel you know exactly what you are talking about.
My tractor did not come with the 90 degree offset pulley, I purchased it used,locally and installed it. The reason is, I spoke with woods and asked if I needed it to use the mower. They told me it was required for the 306. I also purchased the correct mounts for the 140 from my local Woods dealer. I do not see how the belt could be routed if I did not have the gear box with pulley. Same with the belt. I am starting to get quite a bit of money wrapped up in what was supposed to be a simple project to replace my Yardman mower.
I will check the part number of the belt against the manual posted on Woods website today.
I have moved the mower mount up and down and in and out several times to get the right fit. I can make it miss the front wheels but the belt is loose with not enough take up. There is an additional position for the gage wheels but that puts them directly behind the front tractor wheels.
I am resigned to the fact that I will have to remove the front axle to get it to spread. Why shouldn't I use grease? I was considering installing a couple of zerk fittings on each side to keep it greased in case I need to move them again.
I really like George's idea of using 2 bottle jacks to keep even pressure. I would be very concerned if I had to heat the tubes cherry red to get it apart.
Thanks for your help. If you can direct me to schematics for belt installation w/o the gear box I would surely try that.

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Hugh MacKay

09-18-2005 10:10:44




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to Dion, 09-18-2005 04:08:06  
Dion: To begin with, I think you will find most of the offset tractor front ends that are seized in the adjusting tubes are tractors that had nitrogen side dressing equipment and cultivators a good portion of the time. Some of them never had it removed and precious little was ever done to clean them up even at end of season. I know that was the case with the front end I had problems with. My SA never had a side dresser thus 50 years later adjustments were as a new one, paint was still on tubing inside. My 140 was slightly stuck when I got it two years ago. I can see where side dressing equipment was mounted, but I also know it was stored in a heated building and anyone that particular probably steamed it after each nitrogen application.

I say paint or spray graphite because it will stay there better than grease. Grease will also just collect dust and dust will get in there. Installing zerks, maybe, problem I see is grease will follow the path of least resistance and not go around the tube. Personally I like the graphite, been using it in some form for 40 years. These spray cans just made it twice as useful and easy to use. Most everything you find seized on these old tractors, is little more than a case of someone's carelessness in the past.

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E l Toro

09-17-2005 12:01:53




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to Dion, 09-17-2005 10:31:48  
How about heating them with a torch? They may be rusty and if they are, I would clean them good and apply some grease. Hal



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Dion

09-17-2005 12:12:04




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to E l Toro, 09-17-2005 12:01:53  
I have not tried that yet El. I don't have a torch but should be able to borrow one next week.



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George Willer

09-17-2005 11:22:14




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to Dion, 09-17-2005 10:31:48  
Dion,

First, is the mower offset to the right as my L-306-F is on my Ford?

Second, can you move the casters instead of the front wheels?

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Third, Are you really prepared to do what may be necessary to adjust the axle?

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George Willer

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Dion

09-18-2005 04:12:03




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to George Willer, 09-17-2005 11:22:14  
George, Could you send me a side view of your mower set up?
I have the side pieces on my mower but could perhaps mount the gage wheels on the end like yours. I will look and see if they will clear the tires in that position.
Thanks for your help.



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Dion

09-17-2005 11:35:26




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to George Willer, 09-17-2005 11:22:14  
Hi George,
The mower is centered with the wheels. The casters have 1 other position but it is directly behind the front tires. I have just rebuilt/repainted the mower so I would rather not have to weld additional wheel mounts. I was considering removing the complete front axle to work on it. Is that the only way?



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Nat

09-17-2005 22:57:17




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 Re: 140 front axle adjustment troubles in reply to Dion, 09-17-2005 11:35:26  
Yep... If you can't get them to move, the only thing you can do is remove the axle completely and get medieval on it...



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