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EricB

09-12-2005 07:08:45




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Well I have her all degreased, brushed, sanded and ready for painting.
I am planning to try it myself but I only have a vibrator, airless sprayer. I have painted trusses and metal ceilings with it with reasonable sucesss. Should I stay with what I know, or try an air spray gun? (I have a 5Hp compressor)
Should I expect a nice high gloss from the original paint job or is that done with "clear coat" after?

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Roger WI

09-13-2005 18:53:51




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
Eric, I painted my first tractor with a cheap Sears air paint gun and used Rustoleum paint. As you all can imagine the results were far from wonderful. Fortunately it is one of my working tractors. Since then I purchased a sandblaster, an HVLP spray gun and a large upright air compressor. This has made all the difference in the world. I also am not a professional painter, but with good equipment and practice you can be moderately good at painting tractors. I think the hardest part is painting the tractor itself as there are so many irregular surfaces to paint around without getting any runs. I find that you can't even get the spray gun in some areas to get them painted. I sometimes prepaint some parts red before assembly as it is impossible to paint behind some areas. I even have resorted to spray cans to get into hard to reach spots. I think the hood, grill, and fuel tank are the easiest to paint because they are smooth even surfaces and you can apply the paint evenly. The only stupid thing I did painting my B sheetmetal parts last year was painting them on a warm day in the sun. The paint dried instantly leaving a nice uniform orange peel finish. After resanding I did end out with a good finish the second time (not painting in the sun). Roger

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CNKS

09-12-2005 18:13:23




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
If you use paint with hardener, you MUST use a supplied air system, for others a charcoal mask is adequate. Do not use alkyd enamel from a farm store, it will fade before you go to bed that night, then turn pink. The minimum standard is IH 2150 sold by your Case-IH dealer. It is an "acrylic modified" alkyd enamel, that is, it is alkyd enamel with UV inhibitors added to slow fading. Real acrylic enamel is better, better still is acrylic urethane. CIH 2150 and acrylic enamels can be used without hardener (most of them anyway), acrylic urethane must have hardener. Lots of info on the Paint and Bodywork Forum. Forget the airless sprayer. If you use HVLP match CFM required by the gun to the CFM put out by your compressor. HP means nothing. Put the water trap as far as you can get it from the compressor, mine is about 90 feet -- no moisture at all in the paint.

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Robert E. Smith

09-12-2005 17:41:45




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
Eric The very first thing to do is get the proper personal protective equipment!
The paints today can be deadly without it!
Ask the paint supply store what you need to protect yourself! Dont! Dont! think AHH! I can get by with it just once! You Can't! It can be that Bad!
But with the right equipment and a little practice you can do a really good job.
Good luck
Bob



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CNKS

09-12-2005 18:19:09




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to Robert E. Smith, 09-12-2005 17:41:45  
A paint store is a lousy place to ask for information, mine says a charcoal mask is ok for hardeners "because that's what we have always done" cough, cough.



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Rgriff24

09-12-2005 10:19:56




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
I was a spray painter for 11 yrs.If you want a high quality job, you need to let a professional handle it. If you want to do it yourself, don't use your airless. Buy yourself a good paint gun. I have the same Sharp gun for 11 yrs. When you get the gun, practice, practice,practice before painting your tractor. Like Haas said you need the water trap and the likes. Don't just rush into it. An enamel with hardener is a good paint.

Good luck

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Haas

09-12-2005 09:39:50




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
First let me say that I am far from an expert painter. I used spray cans for quite a while before I got my spray gun. If you want a decent paint joy at not much expense, get a good quality Alkyd enamel and a medium priced ($100 or so) HVLP gun that will work with your 5 HP compressor. If you don't have it, you will need a regulator and a filter/water trap. Also get a good respirator with carbon pack filters. Be aware if you use a hardener, you will need a fresh air mask to preserve your health. The filter mask is not adequate. Do not use the disposable paper masks. I've gotten decent results with this which will usually be better than your tractor came from the factory. If you want to go to the fancier urethane or epoxy paints, look elsewhere for advise.

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jimmer

09-12-2005 08:45:32




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
I used a paint hardener and it leaves a really nice & durable high gloss finish that doesn't require a clear coat. I also used a 5 hp compressor to do this work. It wasn't too bad.



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Buzzman72

09-12-2005 08:40:44




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to EricB, 09-12-2005 07:08:45  
Gloss depends on the paint. Enamels and lacquers should be glossy when they dry. Urethane needs a clear coat to shine.

I'd prefer to use an air setup, primarily because that's what I've used and seen used all my life. I'm not experienced with HVLP systems, but I've heard they waste less paint. Now, if I can get Pappy's old Binks No. 7 gun cleaned up, I might do some sprayin' myself...



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CNKS

09-12-2005 18:03:02




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 Re: Spray Painting in reply to Buzzman72, 09-12-2005 08:40:44  
Two kinds (at least) of acrylic urethane, single stage and base coat/clear coat. Single stage can be clear coated but it's not necessary.



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