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Nathan in Texas

08-17-2005 07:29:45




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Well, I've been looking for a small utility loader tractor and there aren't very many around even looking on the net. I am finding some larger tractors with loaders though, which is making me rethink getting 1 tractor to do everything with instead of keeping my M and getting a 2nd small utility tractor.

One tractor I've located is a 656 gasser with hydro and loader. Supposedly the hydro is fine. It looks like a utility frame but I didn't know 656 came as a utility? The big drawback on it is the 5 gallons/hr fuel consumption that it has a reputation for. If I was using it for much lighter work than it was designed for would it use closer to the 2 or 3 gallons per hour that my M uses or would it still suck down 5 gallons per hour regardless? Any other thoughts on a 656 gasser?

Also, there's a 806 Diesel with a loader up in Wisconsin for $4,500, a 1600 oliver with loader in Oklahoma for $3,000, etc., etc.

From a cost point of view I would be better off with the one big tractor with a loader to do everything with rather than 2 smaller tractors. Also I would be using the single tractor more regularly instead of only occasionally using each tractor if I had 2.

Just wanted to get some more opinions on this and get any specific input on the 656 gasser.

Thanks, Nathan

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Nathan in Texas

08-17-2005 13:30:36




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro - PICS in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 07:29:45  
Okay, thanks for the input so far.

I have a couple pics of the tractor in question. It looks like the fenders aren't original and it has had a paint job sometime recently and all the emblems are missing.

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Dash looks a little rough:

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Supposedly less than 4,000 hours on the clock. This is at a dealer's place and they weren't very helpful on the previous history.

How much is a tractor like this worth? $5 - $6k? Any additional input would be great.

Thanks, Nathan

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Hugh MacKay

08-17-2005 19:55:34




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro - PICS in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 13:30:36  
Nathan: I'd look that tractor over very close, don't think it's all 656. Like you said, fenders don't look right. I don't think the 3 point looks right either. Breather and grill are not 656, and I question the dash.



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Nathan in Texas

08-17-2005 20:09:48




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro - PICS in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-17-2005 19:55:34  
I've been comparing pics online and I think the dash is okay except there is an extra hole to the top right of the tach on this one.

I agree that the grill looks a little off and for sure the fenders and lights are wrong. (Although I kinda like the look of the rounded fenders over the square ones that should be on it)

The 3 point looked about the same, but the hydraulic controls are a bit different, but that may just be the loader setup. The loader must have a direct hydraulic hookup because both remotes look to be open.

I was thinking it might be a 2656 but there are almost no pictures on the internet of them.

The relatively fresh paint job with all the emblems missing does make you stop and think though.

Thanks for the input, anything else I should be looking for?

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Hugh MacKay

08-18-2005 01:28:12




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro - PICS in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 20:09:48  
Nathan: I must admit I've never been up close on a 656 Utility. That hitch is very much different from the Farmall hitches. They had lower link sencing for draft control, tractor in your photo has top link sencing. The side limiting stabilizers on the Farmall was not chain. From two photos I have, I would say those two items were same on Utility as on Farmall.



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VernMN

08-17-2005 10:27:53




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 07:29:45  
Had the 656 gasser hydro and got rid of it. Like the other posts, it is great as a light duty tractor. The hydro is great for loader work and even a small square baler is a good tractor to use on it. Don't attempt using it for heavy draw bar work, or heavy pto. We used it for chopping silage and it used more gas than an M or 460.

I would go with the bigger tractor, (806 you mentioned, and it crossed my mind too) and still keep the M.

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Lance R.

08-17-2005 08:51:30




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 07:29:45  
If you plan on using this tractor for heavy drawbar use i.e. plowing e.t.c. I would look for a gear drive tractor. The 656 hydro is a great loader tractor but making the hydro working real hard under constant hard pull could cause problems.



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Nathan in Texas

08-17-2005 09:41:13




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to Lance R., 08-17-2005 08:51:30  
I don't have a plow so I think heavy drawbar use is out for now. I've only got 42 acres and 18 of those are in the CRP program right now so I can only see myself actually working 5 or so acres if I end up trying to raise something.

Basically I would be using it for grading my road and shredding (that's what they call brush hogging around here) and some very light loader work.

Thanks for the input so far.

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Lance R.

08-17-2005 10:01:56




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 09:41:13  
Then the 656 hydro will be a great tractor for you and can do anything you're trying to do. It will have about 65HP or more. You'll love it.



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RustyFarmall

08-17-2005 07:44:31




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to Nathan in Texas, 08-17-2005 07:29:45  
Doing light work the 656 won't use any more fuel than your M. I have also seen what appeared to be a 656 utility, low profile, set back front axle, etc.



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Harold H

08-17-2005 08:05:06




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-17-2005 07:44:31  
They made International 656 Utility, International 2656 Industrial, Farmall 656 row crop and Farmall 656 High Clear versions. May have also made a few International 656 High Clear Utility but I have never seen one of these. All were available in gear drive with or without TA and in Hydrostatic drive versions.

Harold H



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dhermesc

08-17-2005 07:56:26




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 Re: 656 gasser w/ hydro in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-17-2005 07:44:31  
I agree with Rusty, the gas 656 is very economical for light work, when you hook it to a plow is when it starts eating you out of house and home. We've had one that was bought new in 1967, been through three gas crisis without selling it. Regulated to hay, loader and light field work since about 1978. Well over 20K hours on it.

The 656 did come in a utility (like) version - very few made.

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