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2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H

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ChrisL

07-09-2005 04:53:30




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I was told (by the seller) – because of the lack of availability of leaded fuel, these old tractors like to have a splash of 2 cycle oil in the fuel.

Can anyone confirm this is true, how much, and why this is.

thanks

Chris - Maine




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Derek Broerse

07-10-2005 08:15:24




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
Basically, the lead in the old fuel acted almost like a shock absorber, cushioning the valve as it sprung back into its seat. That being gone in our current fuel (current being, what, 1972 on in a lot of places?) the valves are now jush bashing their way closed instead. Over time, this wipes out the valve and seat.

The tractor next door, a '68 Ford 2000, has this condition.... low compression from valves on all three cylinders.

It is only a matter of time before this happens to any older engine... tractor or otherwise. Once this happens, the pounded valve seats need to be cut out and hardened ones pressed in. This pretty much solves the problem, but like so many other things in this world it isn't cheap!

I can't see two stroke oil helping anything, as it isn't a lubrication issue, its an impact issue. Think about it, if someone was swinging a sledge hammer at your head, would you like to be lubed up so it could potentially slide off, or have something in between to absorb the blow?

Personally, I have never used the lead substitute, mainly because my older equipment (cars included) see such limited run time per year. However, if you do use your engines a lot per year, and they are still in good condition, splurge a little on the proper lead additive instead.

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DLP1964

07-09-2005 18:27:52




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
Been around IH all my life. They are noted for burning valves bad in the 6 cylinder engines more. I would recomed using the lead substitue.



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NDS

07-09-2005 18:14:16




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
Will not hurt. I have A that I have run for over forty years and several thousand hours on cheapest gasoline I can find and it is still running strong with no engine work. It is semi retired now but used it couple of hours today.



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CNKS

07-09-2005 11:53:30




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
It's a myth. You don't need any additives, unless you are plowing 10 hours a day every day. Even then I would run it until it needed a valve job, then put in hardened seats. If the engine has been overhauled in the last 30 years it has them anyway.



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RustyFarmall

07-09-2005 07:16:31




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
It sure won't hurt anything but it is not necessary. I use the 89 octane E-10 in all of my engines.



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El Toro

07-09-2005 06:15:51




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
Hi Chris, I don't use that 87 octane in any of the engines. I use the 89 octane in everthing.
Hal



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David A. Hodson

07-09-2005 05:15:28




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 Re: 2 cycle oil in the Fuel – 43 H in reply to ChrisL, 07-09-2005 04:53:30  
Chris, I"ve put a jug 50:1 for a 2.5 gal can in my 1947 H for years. Don"t know if its right or wrong but she always ran good up until this summer and now she burned a valve but I don"t believe its from the oil. At my work we sell a lead substitute additive and thats what I use in my 1956 400 can"t tell much difference. David



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