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McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems

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Bill Carlton

06-15-2005 08:15:18




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I recently purchased a Super W-4. The tractor will not start by utilizing the starter. I pull out the switch and pull the starter and nothing happens. The tractor starts easily when pulled off and the battery show a good charge when tested. Before I pull the starter off and spend $125 to have it rebuilt, what are some of the other things that I should check. Please excuse my lack of knowledge about mechanics.

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John M

06-15-2005 18:09:17




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 Re: McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems in reply to Bill Carlton, 06-15-2005 08:15:18  
You mentioneed you pulled the starter,so I am assuming you have a rod going to it to engage it? Have you tried pushing the rod foward? Reason I ask is I saw a Super 4 once that had the pullrod starter setup,the switch that was on the starter was the wrong one or put on backwards or something,I dont recall now,but the guy was pushing the rod instaed of pulling and commented to someone else about it.

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Bill Carlton

06-16-2005 04:53:03




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 Re: McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems in reply to John M, 06-15-2005 18:09:17  
Thanks everyone for taking the time to help. The information that you provided is excellent.



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Nebraska Cowman

06-15-2005 10:18:31




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 Re: McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems in reply to Bill Carlton, 06-15-2005 08:15:18  
bad electical connections are #1 reason for tractors not starting. I'd check there first.



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EricB

06-15-2005 09:28:06




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 Re: McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems in reply to Bill Carlton, 06-15-2005 08:15:18  
Bill:
Nat mentioned a failing starter switch. This is a very strong posability. To test this use a jumper cable and go directly from the battery to the starter terminal, bypassing the switch. ALWAYS CHECK to make sure the tractor is in NEUTRAL. (I spent 2 wks in hospital when I forgot that and almost killed myself)

Note: If you have to change the starter, you will need to remove the belt drive housing. There are 6 bolts to do this. It usually can slide out of the way sufficiently so you don;t have to lift it right off. R&R for the starter is about 25 minutes.

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captaink

06-15-2005 09:01:57




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 Re: McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems in reply to Bill Carlton, 06-15-2005 08:15:18  
No apologies about mechanical knowledge needed, but around here be ready to learn cause there is a wealth of info on this board.

Nat has good info but I’d like to add that the battery here could also be weak or failing. It might have enough juice left to power the coil and provide spark but not enough to roll the engine over.

Is that W-4 still factory 6-volt positive ground or has it been converted to 12-volt (usually negative ground)? A quick way to tell is by using a volt meter. If you don’t have one handy, normally the 6-volt battery will have three caps on the top that will come off for adding distilled water to the battery. Most 12-volt batteries have two large plastic caps that come off for the same purpose but will cover three openings each.

If it has been converted to 12-volts, you can try using booster (or jumper) cables to start the tractor. Always, I repeat always remember when connecting booster cables to connect them to the batteries positive (+) to positive and negative (-) to negative. It is also preferable to make the last connection of the cables to a metal ground away from the battery on the dead battery vehicle. Crossing them will produce sparks and increase the risk of explosion.

Most important if you don’t know, ask. Even if you think it might be a “stupid” question someone here will give you a good respectful answer back.

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Nat

06-15-2005 08:33:11




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 Re: McCormick Deering Super W-4 Starting Problems in reply to Bill Carlton, 06-15-2005 08:15:18  
This is a perfect opportunity to learn, so unscrew the lid on your brain and prepare to receive...

The starter doesn't work, but that doesn't mean that the starter is bad. There are wires, connectors, and a switch in between the battery and the starter. The juice needs to get to the starter or it won't even turn over.

All the connections need to be shiny, clean and tight. Frayed wires or half-a$$ed connections will not conduct enough electricity to make the starter turn over, but they will conduct enough to allow the spark plugs to fire.

There should be a fat wire going from one terminal on the battery to a bolt on the tractor's frame. That's the ground. The ground is where many/most problems arise. Remember, clean, shiny, and tight.

There should be a fat wire going from the other terminal on the battery to the starter switch. If the starter switch is not mounted directly to the starter, there should be a fat wire running from the starter switch to the starter too.

The starter switch could be bad. This tractor was built in the days before starter solenoids, and the manually-operated switches burned out frequently because a human can't push the switch quickly enough to keep it from sparking and burning the contacts.

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