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Dave

03-24-2005 11:41:34




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Will a Farmall run on alcohol?white lighning ethanol type stuff?Me and a Friend was joking about it and who would drink more the Farmall or us.haha.I"m sure someones already tried,and we wondered why it never caught on.




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PAULIH300

03-24-2005 16:14:21




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Dave, 03-24-2005 11:41:34  
Would the Dukes of Hazzard in episode 5 "High Octane" be wrong? Moonshine as an alternative fuel source to fossil fuels.Even allowed Jesse Duke to run his black painted shine runner at the end of the episode...

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Jack B. Nimble

03-24-2005 13:38:04




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Dave, 03-24-2005 11:41:34  
The Ohio Agricultural Research and Development Center worked on this for years. They had/have a huge still where they make corn alcahol and run it in all the farm equipment. I think they mixed it with a little soybean or sunflower oil to add lube and keep the knocking down. Any way they have been doing it for years and were instrumental in developing ethanal fuels and bio-diesel.



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Bus Driver

03-24-2005 16:10:53




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Jack B. Nimble, 03-24-2005 13:38:04  
Jack, what kind of knocking with the alcohol?



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big fred

03-24-2005 20:03:33




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Bus Driver, 03-24-2005 16:10:53  
It's when you've been experimentin' with the mix and "accidentally" ingest some. When the room starts spinnin', every time around yer head knocks against something. Trust me, it can make quite a racket...



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captaink

03-24-2005 12:08:14




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Dave, 03-24-2005 11:41:34  
In theory, yes they will. A couple of problems do exist. First Alcohol is more volatile than gasoline. That is why in the summer it is more likely a vehicle will vapor lock if you are running a blend. That is one reason that the blend has been limited to 10% unless you have an E-85 vehicle which is designed to run on 85% alcohol. I have heard that Brazil has vehicles that will run on 100% alcohol.

The first issue is that alcohol has fewer BTU’s than gasoline, thus lower horsepower per gallon. The upside of this is that you can really raise the compression ratio in the engine and advance the ignition timing (alcohol burns slower) to get most of the power loss back, but then you can’t run pump gas without it pinging either. The second issue is how to meter the fuel and avoid the vapor locking issue; from what I’ve heard most systems that run high percentages of alcohol use some kind of fuel system pressurization.

Farmalls have run on propane, distillate, kerosene, gasoline, and even some of the old ones ran water and kerosene. I’m sure that there is a way to get them to run on pure alcohol, but the cost might not be justifiable at today’s prices. Tomorrows price may be a different story though.

Now, where did I put that jug of corn squeeze’ns anyway? :>)

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KIP

03-24-2005 18:39:59




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to captaink, 03-24-2005 12:08:14  
captaink, You are correct about Brazil. I left there in 1999, and they have been using straight ethanol for years. At one time, a large percentage of cars sold there had to be alcohol by law to cut down on imported oil dependency. These cars had small gasoline tanks under the hood to start the engine, and when warmed up, it was switched over to alcohol. It was interesting that the alcohol from the pump smells like tequila and those cars always had water dripping out the exhaust.

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GWT

03-24-2005 11:50:39




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Dave, 03-24-2005 11:41:34  
From what I've run across before, it'll take a bigger Man than I to drink moonshine all day. hic!



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the tractor vet

03-24-2005 11:45:03




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 Re: alternative fuel in reply to Dave, 03-24-2005 11:41:34  
It takes about twice the alkihol to make the same Hp as gas and beside ya would spend the whole day setting under the shade tree out in the field with the fuel line off drippen in your mouth.



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