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TedD

03-02-2005 05:08:06




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I have plans for a snow plow frame for an M that you would add a pick up truck type snow plow to. After plowing for over two hours last night backwards with a 3-point blade I am becomeing more and more interested in building the frame and plowing foward. I have two questions: does a 7 foot snow plow blade dangling on the front in the raised position make the tractor really hard to steer or is it similar to driveing with a loader? Have most people had favorable results? Also the tractor I am considering does not have live hydraulics which I never considered a problem but, I would consider it a luxury to be able to utilize the power angling cylinders for turning the plow. Would that be possible? Each year I get older and I don't "spring" on and off of the tractor as well to pull the pin and angle the blade especially out by the road to angle the snow to the shoulder. Hydraulics are not my strong point, I fear the power angling dream would turn into a plumbers nightmare but it would really be nice. Thank you for takeing the time to consider my request.

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peteL

03-03-2005 03:59:20




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
I have pictures of a front mounted snowplow on a M and H which I found on the internet. They are not of the best quality but do show the basics. My Email is unlocked.



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Ibby

03-03-2005 02:43:17




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
I had a front mounted blade on my narrow front Oliver 66. Didn't really affect the steering much at all, but the front end would be hard to hold in a line while angling the blade. I ended up leaving it straight and plowing the driveway sideways in short pushes. Worked great to keep the banks back, too.

The Oliver had a mechanical cultivator lift that worked good on the plow, but for your situation, I'd say the best bet is one of those electric/hydraulic units if your tractor is 12 volt. I used one for years on that Oliver and it workked great for the 3 pt hitch that I fabricated. You can get snowplow setups that even angle the blade thru that unit.

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farmallkid1958

03-02-2005 18:45:04




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
TedD, I have a snowplow for sale, that was on a nonrunning M tractor that I bought. It is a stick loader that has a truck blade mounted on it. I took it off of the tractor and I have not used it, but it is complete as far as I can tell. I also have a set of 38" rear chains for it as well. call or e-mail me if you are interested, 765-491-6146 Thanks Hal



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shorty

03-02-2005 14:51:22




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
I have an H with a manure loader on it. I made a blade out of 3/8 plate steel. The blade is heavy but the tractor still steers easy. When I'm not using the blade or bucket, I take them off and raise the loader and put bolts in the guide rods to hold it up. This way I can use the three point hitch I put on the back



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Novel Idea Guy

03-02-2005 09:07:10




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
Steering: I can't believe the steering would be any harder than with a loader.

Power angle: Can be done with a belly pump, two spool valves, and some SIMPLE plumbing. You need two valves to split the output from the belly pump to the lift and angle cylinders. Won't be cheap for the valves, though. The only problem will be that you will need to stop, shift out of gear, and let the clutch out to make things go up/down/left/right. Not a huuuuge deal; farmers lived with that kind of thing for years. With a little practice, you can get the timing down to lift/angle the blade on the fly.

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MeAnthony

03-02-2005 08:43:47




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
There was an ad in the classifieds, maybe a month or two ago,for an M snowplow assembly. Said it mounted/pushed from rear axle and had a lift cylinder at the front. Farm-built and strong, $75, if I recall correctly. Don't know if it can still be found in ad archives or not. It may suit your needs as is, or possibly slightly modify to your liking. 'Course, if you ain't in Michigan, or planning to be, which is where the gent was located, this info won't do you a dang bit of good. So maybe I'll just shut my trap now. Good luck with it.

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MMRTI

03-02-2005 07:34:19




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
The older pickup's and jeep type vehicles often had engine driven snow plows. I have one on a Ford F250 now. I put one on an Allis Chalmers B and it was quite easy and worked very well. These plows are pretty obsolete now so the are pretty cheap especially in the summer because they will not fit newer trucks. The blades are different widths which is a consideration. I had to change the pulley too for the wider trctor fan belt otherwise everything came with the plow. Good luck

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Hayfarmer

03-02-2005 07:09:02




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
A front blade is definitely easier to use especially if you have some lift. I would think the easiest way to do this would be to start with loader, that way you can pile snow. I use a rear blade and front loader with wide bucket on my JD430. When we get lots of snow you need the loader to pile it and get room to push more. Blade on the front would work better for me. Have seen them work on front loader and it is great.

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Dave in CT

03-02-2005 07:05:21




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
In addition to what Allan in NE posted, you may be able to get what you want with a snowplow belt-driven hydraulic pump. While it won't have the umph of a full-on live hydraulic setup, you probably could find one at a junkyard for a lot less money than one you'd use to power a loader. If you're lucky and you can get the valve setup that goes with it, you can move the blade via an electrically operated control and much of your plumbing nightmare has gone away. This won't take care of the power steering but I've found with a six foot blade on my H, manuvering is not too difficult.

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Bob M

03-02-2005 06:44:24




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
I’ve got a 7’ pickup snow blade currently mounted on a narrow front Minnie Mo U. In close quarters on dry pavement, steering with the blade raised is definitely more difficult. However when under way and when maneuvering in the snow – especially with the blade dropped – it steers nice and easy.

I have operated snowblades with Farmall Liftall (belly pump) hydraulics. If you are patient, the Liftall hydraulics work fine. The limitation of course you can’t raise the blade when the clutch is depressed.

Presuming you have a P/U blade that has angle set by a pair one-way cylinders, you can control both blade lift and angle from the Liftall. You will however need to add two 3-position, 4-way valves (one for lift/drop, the other for angle control), then lock the Liftall lever in the “lift” position to feed pressure to the 4 ways for it to work. And again the lift and angle controls will stop working whenever you stomp on the clutch. Plumbing however is relatively straightforward.

Hope this helps - I know first hand what you mean about the "back blade stiff neck"!

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Allan in NE

03-02-2005 06:42:26




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 Re: M Snow Plow in reply to TedD, 03-02-2005 05:08:06  
Hi Ted,

Heck, I don't think there is anything wrong with your idea.

I know about the getting older thing; I used to push these loader tractors all over the farm and didn't think a thing about them steering hard; just didn't give it a thought.

But once I put the power steering on the H, I'll never have another "Armstrong" brand steering (it really spoils ya).

Now, to your plow. I used to run hay buck sweeps out in front of the tractor. They were pushed by two long 4" I-beams mounted under/on the rear axle and lifted with a device hangin' out on the front end.

Don't see why you couldn't rig something up to plow snow with in that manner.

Live hydraulics are not a problem; there are lots of guys here to help you. The downside is that it will be expensive. My little swap cost me just under $1000.

Hope you get it figured out,

Allan

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