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1 Pnt Fast Hitch Q's

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Stan(VA).

12-06-2004 19:39:38




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Hugh, (and others that have any experience with the 1 point fast hitch) how critical is tire size to the usefulness of 1 pnt fast hitch implements?

I sold a 140 earlier in the year that I need to help the new owner find some implements for and am wondering if the 12.4 x 24 rear tires are going to be a problem. I included a 1 point to 3 point conversion kit from Tractor Supply, and when we hooked up to a 3 pnt box blade, it barely touched the ground! I need to know if that is just a problem with this 3 point kit, or are we going to see the same trouble with fast hitch equip.

Secondly, does anyone have experience good or bad with the new fast hitch equipment offered by Agri Supply in VA and the Carolina's? Specifically concerned with how well they stand up to lateral stress (ie: on a box blade or disc or plow). I ask because the box blade started to tear apart that 3 pnt kit, breaking the welds where the fast hitch point joins the box frame for the 3 pnt receiver (admittedly a 7' box blade was overkill for the situation and asking for it, but hey, it was all I had at the time :) ). Now I remember why I like the two point and the Saginaw hitches so much!

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Stan(VA).

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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2004 03:50:09




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 Re: 1 Pnt Fast Hitch Q's in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-06-2004 19:39:38  
Stan: I am not familiar with the particular 3 point adapter from Tractor Supply. I will say this however, most 3 point adapters I've seen for 1 point fast hitches were not that well designed, this includes 3 attempts I've made fabricating one for myself. Where most builders of these fall down, is the fail to realize the brute strength of these little tractors. I elude to the fact you are having problems with weld breaking, and it is less than 6 month old. I haven't used my 3 point contraptions in years. I found it far better to install a 1 point fork on the implement. I think a good 3 point adapter could be designed if enough dollars were used. It however wouldn't be an adapter, but rather a conversion from 1 point to 3 point.

On the 12.4 tires and the problem of hitch not going low enough. Most oversize tires on these tractors have been installed to give better clearence when implement is in the raised position. Granted they were also looking for more traction. You have 3 items on that 1 point hitch that can change the lift range of the hitch. First the rod coming back from left front rockshaft that lifts the hitch is adjustable at the rear rockshaft. Secondly there are 2 position holes in rear rockshaft to hook the lift rod in. Third, the blocks on top end of the vertical links going from hitch to rear rockshaft, are adjustable in two ways. They can be turned up or down and positions of collars on vertical crank and shaft are adjustable. One problem with this last adjustment, it throws the diagnol stabilizer out of wack.

If that front pull bail that Bill refers to is hooked to the underside of platform, and not via linkage to the right front rockshaft the hitch will be of little use for anything. All that was ever designed for was storing the pull bail high out of the way when cultivating high crops. For this hitch pull bar was removed and rear cultivators installed at final drives, and lifted by the rear rockshafts.

For any and all uses of the fast hitch that linkage from front pull bail to right front rockshaft must be installed. It is the levelling device of that hitch, it also controls plow depth. I have a two row John Deere 246 corn planter, converted to 1 point fast hitch. The guy I bought the planter from says my 1 point depth control, does better than any 3 point tractors he ever used on planter.

I would suggest if you convert that 7' box blade to 1 point fast hitch, you would find the levelling control of 140 fast hitch would do an excellent of controling flow of material when grading. I don't have a box blade nor have I ever used one. I do however have a device for shaping beds for vegetables, much the same principle. 1 point far superior over 3 point for this type of work.

Last I will suggest if you fabricate any 1 point equipment for a Super A, 100, 130 or 140, build it rugged. Just use your imagination and think there may be an H up front. Anything less will embarrass you.

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Stan(VA).

12-07-2004 17:27:01




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 Re: 1 Pnt Fast Hitch Q's in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-07-2004 03:50:09  
Bill, Raymon and Hugh,
Thanks for the input. This tractor does have the rear rockshaft connected, I remember using it to level the hitch out. I think the rods on the left were adjusted to give the greatest drop, but will double check on that.

I don't have access to any single point attachments locally to compare, but I seem to recall pictures of several factory pieces that have a vertical drop (a bend) in the one point fork that puts the implement closer to the ground? I know this 3 pnt adapter has the lower pins on the same level as the fork, as does most of the Agri Supply fast hitch implements (the box blade I recall for sure). Guys, on your implements is there a drop from the fork down to the main frame of the implement, or is that implement dependant?
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Stan(VA).

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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2004 20:37:48




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 Re: 1 Pnt Fast Hitch Q's in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-07-2004 17:27:01  
Stan: My fast hitches will drop to within 8" of the ground even on 12.4 tires. There must be something on there not adjusted quite right. Those two holes at rear rock shaft make a huge difference. Top hole will give max lift in weight, whereas lower hole will give max range in lift.



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Ramon from NC

12-07-2004 03:42:47




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 Re: 1 Pnt Fast Hitch Q's in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-06-2004 19:39:38  
Stan, I have 12.4x24 tires on my 100 and have no issues with plowing or using any other implements (Hugh probably has some input as well as he has sa 130 with 12.4s on it). I do have the front draft link hooked up and it definitely is a huge benefit when picking up some items. For example, when I pick up my disks, without using the front draft link, it will often scrape along the ground even at the highest setting, but with the front draft link down (bringing the implement to its highest point) it easily clears the ground. I do have a subsoiler that still does not clear the ground by about 2 inches but I there is also a component that I have mounted (it is a metal bar with two studs protruding from it that connects the lift link to the rear rockshaft arms-supposed to increase leverage on heavy items) and I may remove it temporarily as this may give me a slightly greater range. I can't speak to the agri-supply 1 pt FH implements, I am too cheap so I am always buying them from farmers and restoring them. I have a 1 pt to 3 pt custom rig that works really well and its just a single piece of metal that slides into the FH socket but so far have only used it for a seeder and a dirt scoop, both of which it worked fine with. I do expect to try it with my neighbors chisel plow so that should provide a better workout and we'll see how it holds up. Good luck Ramon

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Bill in NC

12-06-2004 20:47:59




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 Re: 1 Pnt Fast Hitch Q's in reply to Stan(VA)., 12-06-2004 19:39:38  
Stan, with the single point fast hitch, the single point hitch is attached to a u-shaped drawbar linkage. This u-shaped drawbar linkage is located directly under the seat and can be coupled to either a stationary socket underneath the floorboard area or to the front lift hydraulic rocker arm via a coupling rod. By coupling to the front lift rocker arm, the rear mounted implement can be brought closer to the ground by raising the front lift and conversely the rear implement can be lifted higher by dropping the front lift. I've not used my 140 for turning plow work (yet), but on the farm growing up remember coupling the drawbar linkage to the underseat socket when plowing with a turning plow.

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