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Front blade for snow bad for tractor?

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Ramon from NC

12-02-2004 16:49:22




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I had a gent who used to work at IH who sometimes helps me out with my tractor tell me never to get a front blade. He said it is too tough on the tractor and would eventually damage it. Is this anyones experience? I have a Farmall 100 and was considering getting a front blade (I already have a Fast Hitch rear blade) Thanks Ramon




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Hugh MacKay

12-03-2004 16:09:06




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
Ramon: Personally I wouldn't look at an IH factory blade. I had one of those and sold it. The blade I had fabricated 6', factory was only 5'. My blade does not have a breakaway. My blade angles. Most importantly my blade is braced to the final drives. It is hinged just under clutch housing, and hooks to 4 points on tractor, being each final drive, clutch housing and cultivator mount on back of steering box.

The first winter I used that blade, I had a set of Canadian ring chains. For you and anyone who hasn't seen these, two cross chains from each side hook into an 8" diameter ring made from 3/4 round stock. They weld 5 corks about two inches long to each ring. Around the face of tire these rings are about 6" apart. I pushed snow drifts that were 5 feet deep. I was nervous of those chains, main concern was final drives standing up. I didn't like what they were doing to my shop floor. I didn't need that much traction. I sold those chains and bought a set with regular cross chains.

The big thing to watch for when plowing is solid unseen objects; curbs, rocks frozen in soil are bad. I go around every fall before ground freezes and grade my whole area smooth. That is quite important up here with frost penetration in soil. I even notice that being a difference between here and Nova Scotia. In NS your could grade smooth, and it would stay frozen. Here it doesn't stay frozen. I expect that is the case for many of you.

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Novel Idea Guy

12-03-2004 07:17:45




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
It's not bad for the tractor as long as you don't abuse it. The problem is, people do stupid things and break stuff. That's where these sweeping generalizations come from.



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scotty

12-03-2004 06:46:49




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
Ramon, I have plowed with my A front blade for the last few years with no ill effects! The blade has a spring trip on it if you do hit something, and I normally plow inm 1st or 2nd gear no problem. I made a frame under the tractor that pushes from the rear housing which protects the bellhousing and torque tube section of the tractor in my opinion.

scotty



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Ramon from NC

12-03-2004 07:17:22




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to scotty, 12-03-2004 06:46:49  
Scotty, You wouldn't happen to have a picture of that frame, would you? Thanks Ramon



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scotty

12-03-2004 09:43:50




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-03-2004 07:17:22  
Ramon, Go to the top of page #2 and I have a side shot of the tractor you can see the frame underneath, thats the best I can do for today. Glad to answer any questions.

scotty



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Dave in CT

12-02-2004 22:17:19




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
I think I may have seen a post a year or so ago where someone said to beware of hitting submerged immovables (my wording). I believe they warned of breaking the bell housing if your frame mounts back there.

I've a '47 H I've plowed snow with for one whole winter so, for what that experience is worth, it works fine for me. My front plow frame runs to the rearmost threaded mount hole on the frame rail. I would imagine if you hit something hard enough, that setup would break the bell housing as well but perhaps you'd want to find a frame that bolts just to the rails. Another important detail is to make sure whatever blade you use has a spring trip.

Did the fellow say don't put a front blade on a 100 or tractors in general? There are quite of few (O.K., a zillion) posts where folks report no problems at all with pushing snow. They seem to represent the whole farmall spectrum.

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Ramon from NC

12-03-2004 03:48:19




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Dave in CT, 12-02-2004 22:17:19  
The gent said not to put them on my 100 but I think he was referreing to Farmall Super A-140 tractors in general, which is his expertise. He's an older gent but worked for IH for about 20 years before he retired and now he just restores Farmalls. From what I understand, his big concern was cracking the bell housing (he ran into several instances of this he said) and he that in general, front blades were just more trouble than they are worth. However, I concur with Hugh in that I think that common sense should dictate. My primary work would be with snow and maybe some light dirt work at most, which I think should be light enough. I just need to make sure I get a factory blade with a spring. I would use the rear blade for anything heavier. Now I just need to track one down. I know a guy up in Virginia who has one for his 130 but so far he has resisted by eloquent entreaties to sell it to me ;-)

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Hugh MacKay

12-02-2004 20:10:42




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
Ramon: Shuttle work of any kind creates almost double the clutch wear as normal tractor work. Just consider the number of times you change direction plowing snow compared to a moldboard plow.

Hitting unseen objects is another problem. Just takes some common sence. We have been doing blades and loaders almost since the tractor was invented. No question, there are more suitable vehicles for blade and loader work than a gear drive tractor. Most 40 hp skid steer loaders will out do a 70 hp tractor with loader, and at less cost. Just use common sence, and you will only rebuild clutches more often.

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Grant MD

12-02-2004 19:26:03




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
In your case, a front blade will be nice. We have one on our cub, and it works out pretty well. However, we used to have a massey ferguson 240 (I know- wrong board) and when we bought it, the guy gave the 8' front blade he had for it to us, whether we wanted it or not. The first time we tried it out in the snow, it was so worthless it wasnt even worth keeping in the woods. It was just too heavy for the tractor. Maybe on a bigger tractor it'd been fine, but the wheels just spun and spun on that 240. Even if you put weight on the 3 pt to balance the tractor out, it would sink to the ground after about 10 minutes of using the front blade.

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Haas

12-02-2004 18:56:01




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
It's true the front end of the Super A/100/140, etc are a little weak. However, if you don't abuse the set up, I don't expect you will ever have a problem. The factory blade for these tractors has a spring on it to absorb shock if you hit something. Pushing snow, about the only thing I can think of that would cause damage would be hitting a curb or something else really solid. I used such a blade on my 140 for 10 years, pushing not only snow, but dirt and rocks. I never broke anything on the tractor nor was anythng broken when I got it. The blade had some broken welds when I got it. I think due to abuse when used as a grounds tractor for a hospital. It plowed the parking lots there for 10 winters before I got it and that was when we used to have some snow around here.

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Charles Myers

12-02-2004 18:12:42




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
Why didn't someone tell me that before !!!
I've had a front blade on my 1940 H for about 30 years . Please don't tell my H that its bad for it. It's an 8'blade . I haven't had one problem yet. I've even used it to push dirt and level off from small dump trucks.



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old

12-02-2004 16:54:04




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to Ramon from NC, 12-02-2004 16:49:22  
I would think if that where the case then a front end loader would also be bad for a tractor, and there sure is a lot of loaders on tractors.



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terryj

12-03-2004 01:20:52




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to old, 12-02-2004 16:54:04  
Your right there are a lot of tractors with loaders out there. If I knew how I would post a pic of a Super A with a loader that my dad bought this Fall. He Got it home and painted up now will have to get a pic of it now it is all painted up. My dad used a M with a front blade for years on the farm for snow and gravel in the driveway and when he sold the farm I used the tractor for about 4 years on my driveway. Now I have finally bought my own tractor, a Super C I am putting a 8 foot front blade on it. If that is too big I will put a 6 foot blade on it. Will post a pic of that setup if I ever get finnished figuring out a way to fabercate a way to make it work. Am about a 3'rd of the way so far.

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WPTerry

12-03-2004 13:58:37




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to terryj, 12-03-2004 01:20:52  
If you ever get the other 1/3rd figured out please tell me how you did it. I have a Super C as well. Good luck!



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ericlb

12-02-2004 18:51:22




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 Re: Front blade for snow bad for tractor? in reply to old, 12-02-2004 16:54:04  
i don't think there would be any problem as long as the snow is "pushed" by the tractor driver, the problem probably arose from the city dude who, after parking his tractor in the garage, awoke to 2 feet of wet snow, and proceded to fire up the tractor, put it in road gear, pull the throttle wide open and "hit" the snow pile, i actually saw a small kabota literally broken in 2 at the bell housing, it was being used to remove a tree stump, by backing up and running foward and hitting the stump with the front lower corner of the loader bucket!!, the young "dude" admitted he didn't really know how to use the "borrowed" machine,,aaahhhhh!!! ericlb

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