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Ardie

10-31-2004 17:12:10

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My H has been running fine & starting good unitill today. I started it several times today then shut it off and it will not start, starter makes only a slight click. I can not even turn it over with the crank. Oil pressure was good, it was not over heating. This has happened before so I would pull it or rock the tractor back and forth, like a flat spot in the starter which has been rebuilt. Two of us tried to push it forward in 5th gear but no go. What worries me is that I can not turn it over with the crank so did not want to try pulling it. Thanks for you help.

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Ron in Nebr

10-31-2004 20:40:13

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Ardie, 10-31-2004 17:12:10

The other posts are more than likely the problem, but I thought I'd throw this in just in case, since as we all know, anything's possible.

We had the exact same symptoms two weeks ago on our 656 gasser. The hired man had topped off the gas tank, left 'er set all night, then the next morning it wouldn't turn over. Something must have gotten into the needle and seat in the carb and blocked it open, because two or three cylinders were clear full of gas and had hydraulic-locked the engine. Pulled the plugs, spun her over until gas quit coming out the plug holes, then put in new plugs and changed the oil and it runs fine. But now we shut the petcock off at the sediment bowl when we're not using it.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

10-31-2004 20:33:13

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Ardie, 10-31-2004 17:12:10

You've been given the solutions to free it. What happends is the starter drive or the flywheel gear teeth become blunt on the end and lock end to end rather than engaging. If it's the starter drive (probably not since it was just rebuilt), you can fix it by replacing the drive. If it's the flywheel you can replace the ring gear on it, or I think on an H you can remove the ring gear and rotate it a little. Another solution is to use a file or Dremel tool and reach through the starter hole and reshape the teeth to put more of a point on them. Note you will find the problen in 2 places on the flywheel 180 degrees apart from each other, since this is where the flywheel tends to usually stop between compression strokes.

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marv

10-31-2004 20:07:04

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Ardie, 10-31-2004 17:12:10

I grew up with the Farmall H and M's. We simply put the tractor in high gear and rocked it back and forth. It worked every time.

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terryj

10-31-2004 18:46:14

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Ardie, 10-31-2004 17:12:10

When I was a teenager I worked at a farm that had about 8 H's and M's. This seemed to be a common problem with them all. My dad bought one of them M's about 20 years ago which he still has when the farm went to newer machinery, had the starter rebuilt and it is still a problem that pops up every once in a while. When that happens we just loosen the starter off, pull it out a bit, wiggle it up and down, back and forth then shove it back on tighten it up and it will turn over fine. Don't know the cause just the way we unlock the starter.

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Allan in NE

10-31-2004 17:20:20

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Ardie, 10-31-2004 17:12:10

Ardie,

I think your starter is jammed at the flywheel.

Loosen the two mounting bolts until you can "wiggle" the starter, then hit the starter button and see if she trys to spin.

If it will then 'crank', the big boys tell me this is caused by a bad starter drive.

Allan

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old don

11-01-2004 16:34:57

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Allan in NE, 10-31-2004 17:20:20

Allen, one more thought, I wonder if it is caused by bad valve adjustment, we just dealt with it in earlier years but it could be from both valves being closed at the same time thus the reason it can't be turned over by the crank, maybe a simple hot valve lash adjustment would clear it up.

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old don

11-01-2004 16:16:56

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Allan in NE, 10-31-2004 17:20:20

Allen, that is not a new problem and you hit the nail on the head especially on our old 40 something H and not so much on our 51 M and it seemed random but usually at an unopportune time. I think that was a ba*?@^d size wrench for the starter like a 5/8's or 11/16" wrench. Just loosen the starter rock the tractor and with fluid filled tires on a hillside quite a chore. Good call. Don

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Bob

10-31-2004 17:17:49

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Ardie, 10-31-2004 17:12:10

Loosen the starter mounting bolts and rock the tractor to free the starter bendix gear that's jammed against the flywheel ring gear.

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Dick Davis

11-01-2004 06:29:06

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Bob, 10-31-2004 17:17:49

What everybody else wrote is generally true, the curious thing is a stuck starter should be able to be unstuck by rocking the tractor in 5th gear or with a hand crank. I'm with you about being concerned that neither of the above work. Unbolting starter is a third ease fix and then the gas lock option. Please let us know what did work. Always curious when old reliables don't work. My nickel Dick Davis

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Ardie

11-02-2004 18:11:57

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Re: Farmall H problem in reply to Dick Davis, 11-01-2004 06:29:06

I took the starter off and sure enought that was my problem. It looks like the flywheel stops at one spot 95% of the time. The starter drive is worn enough to cause a problem. I filed the rough edges off the flywheel and will get the starter fixed. I want to thank all you guys for the replies, I can always count on this forum for help.

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