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Fitting a loader to 484 - how difficult to remove

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Clanger

10-04-2004 14:24:47




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I'm just about to buy a loader for my 484 which is advertised not too far away. It was last used on a 454 so I'm hoping that it should bolt straight on to my 484, although I do need to add another spool/hydraulic outlet to operate it.

I've never used a loader before (just use the tractor for mowing), but the price is right and I think it could come in handy for a number of little 'moving stuff around' jobs that keep cropping up.

My question is this, how difficult/labor intensive is it to fit/remove a loader? Seeing as it's probably only going to be used occassionally, is it viable to fit it for a couple of days work and then remove it for when it's not being used?

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JB2

10-04-2004 19:18:27




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 Re: Fitting a loader to 484 - how difficult to rem in reply to Clanger, 10-04-2004 14:24:47  
Hi Clanger, my brother has an IH 2250 Quick Attach loader on his 495 which is a newer model of 484. With the Quick Attach loader it takes about 10 minutes to remove the loader arms and bucket.
My opinion is the 2250 is to heavy a loader for 495 size tractor it requires a 584 or 684 size.

Previous to having the 2250 loader we had a 1550 on a 384 and we would just remove the bucket by pulling three pins. Once the bucket is off the loader arms and frame don't affect the operation of the tractor as much as having the heavy bucket sticking out in front of the tractor.

Hopefully the loader will come with its own set of hydraulic control levers mounted on the loader frame on the right side at about the same height as the throttle. The hydraulics controls can be plumbed into a plug in the transmission in front of the right axle.

A few safety tips:
If you are carrying heavy loads in the bucket be sure to have plenty of weight on the rear of the tractor. We would put 3 pt cultivator on back for weight.
Also when transporting heavy loads in bucket do not lift bucket more than 2 feet off ground. Maintain low center of gravity. To many people tip their tractor over by lifting the bucket up high over the tractor and then going across sloping ground. Go straight down a slope.
Never lift bucket to maximum height with out leveling bucket to keep load from rolling over bucket and back down loader frame crushing the operator. So many farmers have been seriously injured or killed by doing this with a round bale in the bucket.

Good Luck
JB2

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Clanger

10-05-2004 01:45:54




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 Re: Fitting a loader to 484 - how difficult to rem in reply to JB2, 10-04-2004 19:18:27  
Hi JB2.
Well, this loader (Mil Marquis, UK company) comes with 'all tractor mounting brackets spool valves and attachment plate'. So maybe the spool valves bolt onto the tranny? Any idea what the 'attachment plate' would do?
Very doubtful if it would be carrying anything as big as a bale, but the advice is much appreciated!
First job would be to move/spread about 25 tons of gravel for our drive and then do general bits of moving stuff around. But seeing as I don't have a farm here, it will mainly do just odd bits of moving and lifting.
I'd like to make the loader as removeable as possible as I'm imagining it will only be used occasionally - although it probably stay on all winter as there's no lawn mowing to be done then.

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JB2

10-05-2004 17:06:25




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 Re: Fitting a loader to 484 - how difficult to rem in reply to Clanger, 10-05-2004 01:45:54  
Hi Clanger, the only thing I can think of for "attachment plate" is what we CNDs call a dirt plate that fits over the prongs or tines (probably tynes for UK) in the bucket for handling materials like gravel or earth. Most agricultural loaders come with a bucket with prongs in like a fork to make it easy to handle materials like manure with lots of straw in it.

Industrial loaders come with a solid bucket.

The loaders that I have seen for 454, 484 also fit the 584, 684, 784 and 884 tractors. The only difference in these tractors frame wise is the length of the engine so the 454 and 484 with only a 3 cyl engine have a spacer that bolt to the holes below the front grill to make up the difference in length.

I still believe the spool valve will be bolted to the loader frame so they can be operated with your right hand. I don't like the ones that operate from the remote levers by your right foot.
But that is my personal choice. The newest versions all have a single "joy stick" type hydraulic lever.

Good luck
JB2

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clanger

10-06-2004 01:19:41




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 Re: Fitting a loader to 484 - how difficult to rem in reply to JB2, 10-05-2004 17:06:25  
OK, very interesting stuff. I also think the attachment plate could be a plate on the front of the loader onto which a variety of 'attachments' can be fitted - i.e. bucket, forks, etc. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. It's an ebay auction that finishes in about 3 days.
I'm pretty wary of eBay stuff even though I have bought and sold a fair number of things on it. A brand new lift arm was delivered yesterday that I bought on eBay to replace one that broke a few months ago - cost just £10 (about $15.00).
So this loader is a little bit of a risk, but it's only £100 right now, so it's a risk def. worth taking.
Your input is very helpful and informative as always JB2 - thanks.

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