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Super C oil burner solved...

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BillWV

09-30-2004 18:56:32




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...I think.

I had time to drain and drop the oil pan this evening, and took out the worst looking piston. Now I didn't have much time before dark (working on it outside for now) but the one ring gap that I got to measure was 0.08". I don't know what the book calls for on the Super C, but the 113 engine specs, which I would think would be similar, are 0.01-0.018". The piston-to-cylinder clearance also appears to be excessive. In the coming days I'll measure the bore and check piston clearance, but for right now, looks like I need sleeves and all. The cylinder bores have a little pitting; the one rod bearing I looked at is slightly grooved, but the crank throw looks smooth.
Thanks to all.

Bill

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El Toro

10-01-2004 04:49:43




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 Re: Super C oil burner solved... in reply to BillWV, 09-30-2004 18:56:32  
Hi Bill, If you have a problem finding a sleeve
and piston kit try Federal-Mogul, their toll free
number is 1-800-325-8886. This is their technical
service number and their kits are sold under the
Sealed Power name. I do not think that you can buy directly from them, but they can give you the name of their distributor in your area. Hal



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Allan in NE

10-01-2004 02:48:21




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 Re: Super C oil burner solved... in reply to BillWV, 09-30-2004 18:56:32  
Hi Bill,

For what it is worth, a quick way to decide what you need is to run those pistons up to TDC one at a time and merely take your finger tips and see if you can move them side to side in the bore.

The tops of the cylinders are where the most wear occurs and is where it will readily show up. If you can move that piston sideways any appreciable amount at all in it's bore, she needs the works.

I've seen engines that are so lose that the pistons will actually make an audible 'knock' when you move them from one side of the bore to the other.

And, oddly enough, these tired old engines will still be starting and running just fine...but, are usually pumping oil to beat the band.

Just sharin',

Allan

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BillWV

10-01-2004 04:57:08




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 Yes... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-01-2004 02:48:21  
Mine started fine, ran fine although seemed a little down on power, just used oil and smoked. But I can wiggle the pistons quite a bit at TDC. Plus, the top of the pistons show some erosion. And the cylinder walls show some pitting. I don't see how I can get by without the full kit.

I'm just anxious to get the valve springs off to see what shape the guides and valves are in.

Thanks,
Bill

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Allan in NE

10-01-2004 05:06:59




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 Re: Yes... in reply to BillWV, 10-01-2004 04:57:08  
Mornin' Bill,

I think you already kinda know about that upper end as well, don't ya? :>)

Good Luck with her,

Allan



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BillWV

10-01-2004 09:17:09




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 Re: Yes... in reply to Allan in NE, 10-01-2004 05:06:59  
You're thinking ahead.

I have my suspicions. Won't know for sure until I get the valves springs off long about Sunday or Monday evening. But you're right, unless the head has been rebuilt since the re-ring. I won't be surprised if I need valves and guides.

I'm still puzzled by the 3-1/4" bore. Don't know the history of the tractor, so I guess anything is possible. Just never heard of an East Coast tractor with enough hours on it to have worn out two sets of sleeves and rings.

I'll keep progress posted.

Thanks,
Bill

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