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Allan

05-27-2004 06:56:07




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Hey Guys,

Today, I'm going to tackle turning the wheels around on my tractor.

I'm gonna take the rim off the wheel first and lean it up against the fender as one old boy suggested, then take my loader and grab that wheel to spin it around.

Both wheel seals are moist, not leaking but they are damp.

Is there a way to check the wheel bearings while I have the wheel off? Like test for movement at the outer portion of the axle or anything?

These are big 38" cast wheels and the 18.4 tires are fluid filled. I don't wanna do this again, so thought I'd try to cover all the bases while I'm at it.

Could you give me your thoughts?

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

05-29-2004 03:49:01




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
Allan: Had a feeling you were close to my age, so bear in mind you should act your age. Changing the tires and wheels are a job for equipment and if you don't have the equipment, you best bring in help.

A good way I find to handle heavy items like this is a pallet jack along with some good hardwood pallets and ratchet tie down straps. You can put a tire like 18.4x38 in upright position on pallet, nail lumber to pallet each side of tire and anchor top every direction to pallet. With 3 pallets you can do same with the cast wheel.

I have taken the entire front of my 560 from clutch housing foreward in one piece, using pallets and a jack. Great investment for older guys with old iron.

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Red Rider

05-27-2004 19:28:37




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
Allen if those 18.4 tires are full of fluid you should just call a Ag tire outfit and have them come out and change them If you can't take the tractor to them.



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KC SUPER M MAN

05-27-2004 17:01:45




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
Allan, be darn careful as to what you do!! I was young myself once, years ago---aprox 35-years ago, I use to work for a Goodyear tire store, changing 18.4x38 and even larger for a living, hurt my back then and I'm still paying for it!! I also was full of vinegar and energy, got the job done every day but I'm paying for it today. I'd say, better leave it for the younger strong backs!!!
Nice lookin Tractor, with real good rubber!
KC

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K.B.

05-27-2004 15:02:28




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
Allan, here's the way I've been told to check axle bearings- with the wheel/tire still on the tractor, jack up the side you are checking until the tire is off the ground. Next, install a dial indicator, with the base on the axle housing, and the pointer on the axle, zero the dial. Now, let the jack all the way down. If the dial indicator shows that the axle moved up more than about .020", the axle bearings need attention. Keep in mind that this isn't an exact science, and that the service manual isn't going to give a spec for this, but it is a good, quick check. The axle bearings can be reshimmed if you find that there is too much play, but you would be much better off leaving that job to a well-equipped shop, since the ajustment procedure requires that while you are figuring out the shim pack for one side, you have the axle housing end cap on the other side loose, much easier to do if both wheels are removed.

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lee

05-27-2004 13:24:30




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
Allan, you're done bud, all done. Have your shop swap those for you.



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riverbend

05-27-2004 11:08:27




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
I get a bad feeling about tying the tire to the fender. Can you hold the tire and rim with your loader and use a chain hoist to handle the hub ? I would want a good 3/8" chain for the tire. No sense getting squashed.

Try turning the axle and feel (or listen) for roughness in the bearings, in addition to lifting it. If the seals are leaking, I would change them. They are not going to get any better, and you are most of the way there.

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nebraska cowman

05-27-2004 08:12:36




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
allan, I would leave well enough alone.



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Farmer Gene (NW WI)

05-27-2004 07:59:12




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
I'd be darn careful with that wheel swinging from a chain, would be a good idea to have some help to steady things, also if you want the tread design going the right direction won't you have to swap them from one side to the other? which means having the whole rear end of the ground.



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Allan

05-27-2004 08:20:27




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 Re: Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Farmer Gene (NW WI), 05-27-2004 07:59:12  
Gene,

The tires are treaded in the right direction now, but the wheels are "dished in". I want to spin just the cast wheel and was hoping to do so without swapping side to side.

My plan was to just leave the rim and tire standing on the ground, jack the tractor up somewhat on just one side and then to tie the rim/tire over to the tractor with a chain.

After the rim is apart from the wheel, I would then take the naked cast wheel off the axle with the loader.

Does this sound really dumb? I dunno, maybe I should just have "Red Mech" handle this. It is not like I have to have it done right away anyway.

When I was a young man, this wouldn't have even phased me; but then, I never had any 18.4/38s filled with fluid either. These suckers are heavy!

I shoulda stayed down in the flatland.

Allan

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rustyfarmall

05-27-2004 07:13:59




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 Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 06:56:07  
I would think you should be able to lift up on the outer end of the axle and determine whether there is any movement, you may need to also tune a fine ear to it, and listen for any type of sound that would indicate a bearing going out, or maybe just how it feels in your hand. Others could maybe shed more light on this,I certainly am not an expert.
I would also recommend that you have that rim and tire assembly hanging from the loader before you get it completely loose from the cast center, if it gets away from you, you could be severly injured if you get caught under it. I don't know the weight of an 18.4-38 filled tire, but it will be extremely heavy. Take your time, and let the tractor and loader do the work.

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Allan

05-27-2004 07:37:39




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 Re: Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to rustyfarmall, 05-27-2004 07:13:59  
Rusty,

Thanks for the hollar.

Yes this one has me nervous. The fluid alone weighs 1100 lbs per tire. Those darned centers probably weigh in at 300lbs.

I'm 60 years old and don't have near the strength I used to have, so I was going to chain the tire/rim to the tractor in some fashion to keep it from falling while I wrestle that wheel off the axle with the loader.

Not looking forward to this at all,

Allan

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rustyfarmall

05-27-2004 07:50:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to Allan, 05-27-2004 07:37:39  
Good luck, If I was a bit closer I would come help. Got any buddys you could holler at?



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steveormary

05-27-2004 09:17:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to rustyfarmall, 05-27-2004 07:50:08  
Allan;

Dont quite follow you here. If your wheels are dished in now and you want them dished out the easiest way is to swap them side to side. For a minor adjustment cant you just slide them on the axle.

Be careful and better get some help with this.

steve



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Allan

05-27-2004 09:59:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Request your thoughts please in reply to steveormary, 05-27-2004 09:17:11  
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Hi Steve!

How goes it anyway?

Yeah, I know I don't make much sense...that's the story of my life. Ha.

Yes, swapping side to side would be ideal. The problem is the size of these honkers; they are way taller than I am and they weigh 10 times more than I do.

I've just about talked myself out of this project. The tractor is going into the shop later in the year for a professional paint job anyway, so maybe I should just have them do it in there as they have the necessay equipment and hoists to handle a job such as this.

I remember when I was down on the farm, 16.9X38s without fluid were a handful when they came down off those lugs when handled by me, my brother and the hired man and we were all young and full of vinegar back then. I dunno 'bout this....

Allan

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