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Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg

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KURT

01-11-2003 13:48:35




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I bought a 13HP Briggs and Stratton Engine this week, brand new. Turns out that stamped on the engine it says Made in Japan. I bought this engine new for a project I am working on and I thought well it will be tough to find a used 13-18HP engine that is in good shape, so I will buy a new Briggs engine--besides I will help the economy just a little bit. After receiving the engine on Thursday and seeing the Made in Japan stamp I thought well I am going to give Briggs and Stratton a call. I called them up and the guy says Yep, The vanguard engines are assembled in Japan, The main parts of the engine are made in the USA. Well at least it isnt all from the orient. Here is my question for y'all. I know that we lead the world in passenger car and truck manufacturing, do we lead the world in tractor production, including the lawn tractors? I know that the new holland and JD tractors have a Japanese Diesel engine. Are there any US diesel tractor engine makers that are US, other than JD?

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Me

01-11-2003 20:05:02




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 Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 13:48:35  
Well look at all these CEO's of big companys. They give them selves 60 100 thousand dollar pay raise. And give the hard working man who makes the product Jack schitt. And what does these CEO's do? Besides play with there yo yo's behind there desk. That is what is wrong with this country and thats why companies go belly up because of these office jerks who dont know what manual labor is.



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KURT

01-12-2003 04:09:38




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 Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Me, 01-11-2003 20:05:02  
I agree that American management is terrible. The company I work for is run like crap. (still a very high quality product though). I wish shareholders had the ability to determine management pay rates and raises.



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Ray in WA

01-12-2003 10:25:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-12-2003 04:09:38  
You are all a little bit right, But you have forgot to mention Government's roll in why these companies have moved to different countries. The
TAxes and REGULATIONS!!!!! !!!!. The UN is dictating our environmental policy and our government is following right in step.Yet Mexico & China don't have to live by the same rules. The
Taxes & Regulations is the final straw. WE NEED TO GET THE UNITED STATES OUT OF THE TERRIST ORGANIZATION THE UNITED NATIONS. My 4 cents worth, Ray

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Old Iron

01-11-2003 18:35:45




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 Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 13:48:35  
Kurt,

Harley-Davidson took over the Briggs plant in Milwaukee when Briggs moved everything to Mexico. At least Harley is putting their bikes together with parts from Italy, Japan, Mexico, ----- --

You get the idea,

My 2 bits worth,

Old Iron



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Steven@nd

01-11-2003 17:17:28




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 Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 13:48:35  
Don't kid yourself too much. Look at the sticker on a new ford, engine put together in Germany and tranny in France.



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KURT

01-11-2003 17:58:49




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 Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Steven@nd, 01-11-2003 17:17:28  
Actually Ford has 5 automatic transmission plants, 4 in the US and 1 in Bourdaux France. And one Engine plant in Cologne Germany. Several engine plants in the US.



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Are You Kidding???

01-11-2003 17:03:12




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 Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 13:48:35  
Are you kidding? The USA leads in hamburger flipping, lawyers and telephone solictors. Any manufacturing that takes place is woefully behind being a leader in any regard. We certainly wouldn't want to fail to "compete in the global market place." Even if it means we negotiate treaties that make our manufacturers hemorage out of the country. Just keep telling yourself that you are better off, it will ease the pain.

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KURT

01-11-2003 18:00:20




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 Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Are You Kidding???, 01-11-2003 17:03:12  
Yes it is unfortuate that Lawyers run companies out of business w/ lawsuits and nonsense.



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NDS

01-12-2003 07:50:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 18:00:20  
Kurt I do not disagree with your opinion of lawyers. However as of today Nissan has a large Suv and truck plant under construction in MS, Mercedes is doubling the size of their SUV facilites in AL, Toyota has a new engine plant under construction in AL and Honda is building a huge plant in AL. Contrast this with GMs Delphi divisions announcement last week putting 6 or 8 of its plants on endangered list. While this announcement was written in euphemisms it is obviously first step in their previously anounced plan to move much of their parts production to China. Don't beleive building a product in China will exempt anyone from a product liability suit anyway.

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Robert C

01-12-2003 09:52:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to NDS, 01-12-2003 07:50:28  
With exception of the engine and tranny, the parts on the Mercedes is from the US. I know, I work there.



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Fred

01-11-2003 18:26:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 18:00:20  
We have no one to blame but our selves. After all, if there was no market for all the orential products, then they would not be flooding our market. Our labor unions have priced us right out of the market. What other country in the world pays its workers 75.00 per hour to screw on lugnuts? No wonder we can't compete with the rest of the world.



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NDS

01-12-2003 06:46:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Fred, 01-11-2003 18:26:41  
Maybe they pay $75 hour somewhere but not where I live. A OEM and aftermarket aoto electrical plant not 2 miles from me shut down and moved to Mexico recently. They had been in operation for 40 years.There average production worker pay was about $10 hour. Even the plants along border in Mexico are shutting down and moving to Mexican interior or China. Wages along border had risen to $2.50 hour range and they could not compete with $.50 hour wages in other places.

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Icepick

01-12-2003 06:11:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Fred, 01-11-2003 18:26:41  
I to was naive enough to believe that labor unions were driving us out of manufacturing in the 80's and other countries were paying pennies on the dollar compared to the good ol' U. S. of A.
I quit listening to people with agendas and researched the stuff myself. Guess what? The countries that were flooding our markets were paying their labor(on average) the same wages as here in the U.S. The difference was the upper management in the other countries weren't cooking the books and paying themselves millions!

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James

01-12-2003 08:57:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Icepick, 01-12-2003 06:11:34  
Sorry, Icepick, but I think you're wrong. I work in electronics manufacturing and my company has plants all over the world. Our locations in Mexico, China, Hungary, Malaysia, etc. pay their people pennies on the US dollar. Other locations like Singapore, Ireland, Puerto Rico, and Brazil are very comparable. It's all based on the standard of living in the location we're talking about. Management in these countries is compensated roughly in proportion to the US.

If my industry is any indication, this economic recession has done more to damage manufacturing in the US than anything else. Consumers, and in turn, our customers (companies like HP, Dell, Cisco, Lucent, etc.) are demanding the lowest cost no matter what. That has required moving work out of the US and closing plants here.

It's a continuous chain of events as long as people don't care where the manufacturing is going. You should hear the Mexican guys crying about the work moving from their factories into China because China is cheaper. Of course, it's all work that moved from my factory to Mexico five years ago.

If you believe, as I do, that manufacturing is the engine of a good economy, this country is headed for trouble. Textiles and small appliances are almost all gone, electronics is moving, and heavy manufacturing is just beginning.

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Icepick

01-12-2003 11:11:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to James, 01-12-2003 08:57:42  
Hey James, My reply to Fred was based on his belief that labor unions were driving us out of the auto manufacturing business, not electronics manufacturing. In 1990 I did research for a magazine article I was writing on the cost of labor in the U.S. and abroad in the auto manufacturing arena ( cars, trucks, tractors, heavy equipment, etc.) and the reasons the foreigners were cheaper. Our main competitor in auto manufacturing was Japan, as far as I know they still are. Japan wages were the same as ours, and in some cases, even higher. So ask yourself this; if the labor wages are the same, how do they ship them across the ocean and still sell them cheaper? The only answer I found was that Japanese upper management were taking a much smaller piece of the pie. I've got stats to back me up, soapbox aborted.

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James

01-12-2003 12:11:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Icepick, 01-12-2003 11:11:55  

I agree totally with regard to auto manufacturing--we aren't loosing jobs to Japan based on cost. I think the issues are deeper in other areas, too though.



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Deryl

01-12-2003 12:31:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to James, 01-12-2003 12:11:56  
Amen. When it comes to buying anything these days, many different factors go into the equation. I bought a lighter back in 1982 that had an armadillo on it with a caption that said "Texas Proud". I didn't look at the bottom until after I bought it. It said " made in the Phillipines". The only way you can be sure that something is made in America these days is to make it yourself.



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GRM

01-12-2003 17:18:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Deryl, 01-12-2003 12:31:41  
Hee Hee you are so right!!!! well the other thing you can do is buy something that was made before the 70's. my .25 cents worth. When was the last american made radio?



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Hugh MacKay

01-12-2003 02:43:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Fred, 01-11-2003 18:26:41  
You are so right Fred, and then that guy turning the lugnuts wants to be able to eat for near nothing. He will go to any expence to have it served to him on a platter but food has to come for mere pennies.



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Andrew from KY

01-11-2003 16:56:08




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 Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 13:48:35  
We have an AGCO Allis 8785 that my employer bought new last year, and it has a Sisu diesel engine. I believe the motor came from France, but I don't know where the tractor was built.



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jens Andersen, Denmark

01-12-2003 12:12:56




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 Re: Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to Andrew from KY, 01-11-2003 16:56:08  
The Sisu Diesel Engine is made in Finland. Also
called Valmet.



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PeteNY

01-11-2003 15:20:40




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 Re: Made in the USA, Does the US still lead in tractor mfg in reply to KURT, 01-11-2003 13:48:35  
Not under 80 or so HP, Deere is YanMar, NH is Shibaura, Kubota is Kubota, Massey and Cub Cadet Compacts are mostly Mitsubishi. Deere, NH, and Cat, Case, Deere industrial are made here, for the most part.



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