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Rolled 450 what should I expect?

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Good Ol Boy

09-11-2002 04:21:56

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Last week my father's '57 Farmall 450 was rolled. Not too worry the driver (my father in law) was not killed but is still in the hospital. My question is how much damage to internal parts could there be. The best he can figure is that the engine was running for a minute or two. The tractor was laying upside down and I reckon was starved for fuel. Iwould just like a little guidance here if anyone has been in this predictament before. Thanks

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Good Ol Boy

09-11-2002 19:29:01

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 Re: Rolled 450 what should I expect? in reply to Good Ol Boy, 09-11-2002 04:21:56  
Thanks for all the timely responses. My father and I are going to start tearing the tractor apart soon and hopefully have it ready to go by next spring. The tractor was previously restored so the paint is very good. Most of the damage was cosmetic.

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Hugh MacKay

09-11-2002 16:53:55

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 Re: Rolled 450 what should I expect? in reply to Good Ol Boy, 09-11-2002 04:21:56  
As Slappy said take a look at transmission and rear end. I upset a tractor just on its side, had a rops cab and operator with seat belt on stayed with it, and was able to shut it right down. We pulled it back to its wheels with another tractor. This was a diesel with dry air cleaner. We checked the fluids and put it back to work. A transmission part that had been in bottom of rear end for lord knows how long got under the bull gear and came right through bottom of housing. Costly little mistake.

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09-11-2002 12:02:47

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 Re: Rolled 450 what should I expect? in reply to Good Ol Boy, 09-11-2002 04:21:56  
Good Ol Boy,

My wife fliped our H over about a year ago (she wasn't hurt either thank goodness) and it did a lot of damage. Most damage was superficial - steering shafts were bent, steering post was destroyed as was the seat, gas tank, hood, radiator, and grill. I just repaired or replaced these parts.

My tractor also kept running for a minute or so after the accident and that lead to a few potential problems as well. Dirt and sand got into the manifold through the exhaust pipe when I fliped it rite-side-up. So I pulled the manifold off and blew as much of the dirt as I could out using compressed air. I was afraid that some sand probably got into the head as well and so pushed a little air through the exhaust and intake ports while I had the manifold off. I'm glad I did because some dirt along with some carbon did blow out. I also, carefully blew air into the cylinders through the spark plug holes. I don't know if this was a good idea or not, but I figured that it couldn't be generating forces in the cylinder any greater than exploding fule would.

The carburator may have had dirt in it as well but I couldn't tell because it was full of oil from the air breather. The oil was probably worse than the dirt. I was afraid it would gunk up the jets and passages, so I took the carb apart and soaked the body in cleaner for a day. In addition the oil apparently affected the rubber tip on the plunger (probably the wrong word) that is controlled by the float and lets gas into the bowl. The darn thing started sticking closed and I had to get back into the carb and replace it.

On the advice of others from this board, I opened the transmission and checked it out too. Apparently it is possible to have bits of metal or ball bearings, etc., come loose and find their way between the large drive gears and crack the casting. Fortunately, I didn't find anything like that, but it gave me the chance to clean the accumulated muck and grit out. I also took the opportunity to replace the worn poppet balls and springs as well as the main gasket.

I must have done OK, because I started it yesterday for the first time since the accident and didn't find any (new) problems. I'm not sure how much of this may apply in your case since I have no idea what a 450 looks like on the inside, but I hope I was some help. Good luck.

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Bob M

09-11-2002 07:16:04

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 Re: Rolled 450 what should I expect? in reply to Good Ol Boy, 09-11-2002 04:21:56  
Same thing happened to one of my father in law's Super M's back when it was still a working tractor in the early 70's. Fortunately as in your FIL's case no one was killed. (In this incident the tractor did a couple forward somersaults and wound up on it's back after rolling unattended down a steep hill)

Aside from the expected sheetmetal damage, steering shaft/wheel damage, and a snapped bolster pivot shaft, no significant harm was done. The motor continued to run briefly after the flip but suffered no damage. The tractor was put back on it's feet and flatbedded home. Two weeks and several hundred $ in parts later the Super M (and it's fortunate operator) were back at work.

Hope your father in law enjoys a full recovery....

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