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Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO?

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lc

07-29-2002 08:40:40




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The LPTO I'm most curious about, which I doubt. I've seen other SM's with p/s so I'd guess maybe it does have that. Still figuring on that partially disassembled one I saw.




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Harold H

07-29-2002 08:55:10




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 Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to lc, 07-29-2002 08:40:40  
No Super M's were available with power steering from the factory. Only the Stage III Super M which is actually the Super MTA was available with Independent PTO. The Super MTA could be bought with or without TA and with IPTO, standard non independent PTO, or no PTO.

Harold H



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Jim

07-29-2002 17:55:46




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 Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Harold H, 07-29-2002 08:55:10  
Harold, I grew up with an old H,so I understand the Red letter tractors and what they stand for but could never understand a Super MTA with no TA. Seems that should be just a Super M. Any comments welcome. Thanks. Jim



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CNKS

07-29-2002 19:10:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Jim, 07-29-2002 17:55:46  
Guy Fay gets credit for this because he did the research. In his "Letter Series" book he says that the MTA not equipped with the TA "still had the long clutch housing and linkages" (bottom of page 111). On page 112 he says "The tractors were available with the different transmission required for the IPTO, but with and without the actual rear PTO unit--". Therefore the SMTA, with or without the TA, and/or with or without the IPTO differed from the Super M. Guy says that most were sold with the TA and IPTO.

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Harold H

07-29-2002 20:05:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to CNKS, 07-29-2002 19:10:22  
CNKS,

In the Mississippi Delta, a large portion were sold without Torque Amplifier. Probably more without than with. This held true for 450, 560, 806, etc, although I know nation wide more were sold with TA. Even during the 06 era I would guess we sold about two thirds without TA.

Harold H



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boog

07-29-2002 20:53:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Harold H, 07-29-2002 20:05:31  
Two years ago at an antique tractor show I saw an SMTA without the TA handle. I figured that the TA was bad but when I asked the owner he claimed it came from the factory without a TA. All the linkage except the TA lever was there so I figured he was BSing me until I read an article by Guy Faye. Even without the TA they were known as an SMTA, a SM was also avaiable in'54.

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boog

07-29-2002 20:53:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Harold H, 07-29-2002 20:05:31  
Two years ago at an antique tractor show I saw an SMTA without the TA handle. I figured that the TA was bad but when I asked the owner he claimed it came from the factory without a TA. All the linkage except the TA lever was there so I figured he was BSing me until I read an article by Guy Faye. Even without the TA they were known as an SMTA, a SM was also avaiable in'54.

boog



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Harold H

07-29-2002 19:05:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Jim, 07-29-2002 17:55:46  
As stated the Super MTA was actually the Stage III Super M. It could be ordered with or without TA just like a 300, 350, 400, 450, 460, 560, etc. It still had the same castings with or without TA but just didn't have the TA. For some reason it was still called a Super MTA but the words "Torque Amplifier" were not written on the tractor decals. Just for symplicity, The Stage I had the larger engine. Stage II added live hydraulics but the same castings as Stage I. Stage III had the center and rear castings for TA wether it had TA or not. It also had IPTO available for first time. The rear casting was also cast to mount Fast Hitch but the two point hitch was not made available untill 300/400 came out.

Harold H

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Harold H

07-29-2002 19:57:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Harold H, 07-29-2002 19:05:21  
I mentioned two point Fast Hitch was not available untill the 300/400 came out. The two point Fast Hitch was introduced on the Super C. I meant it was not available for the larger tractors untill the 300/400's came out.

Harold H



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boog

07-29-2002 20:55:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Do all SM's have p/s and LPTO? in reply to Harold H, 07-29-2002 19:57:24  
There were a few SMTAs sold with a factory fast hitch

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