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What exactly is distillate?

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Jay from Ohio

07-20-2002 16:06:59




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I have recently gained an interest in purchasing a Farmall H...and have been doing some research on this tractor. I was surprised to discover that some of the H's were designed to operate with 2 fuels...gasoline (to start and warm the engine) and distillate.

I was telling the guys at work about the distillate fueled engine in the H...and they all thought I was crazy. What is distillate fuel, why were H's designed to run on it, and are there H's out there that still run on the dual fuel setup?

Thanks so much in advance...I'm trying to regain some credibility amongst the guys at work.

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Russ

07-21-2002 18:45:03




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
I have heard that one of the lighter jet fuels is a comparable substitute (JP5)? mixing gas with kerosene is not the same, still has the flashpoint of gas



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Dick Davis

07-22-2002 02:06:27




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 Re: Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Russ, 07-21-2002 18:45:03  
Nope. Navy developed JP5 for shipboard use it has a lower flash point than JP4 (also is heavier and has more energy) it is generally discribeed as a kerosene and oil blend.



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Michael Soldan

07-21-2002 13:29:13




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
Jay, I have posted many times about distillates, remember that distillate tractors had a much lower compression and as has been pointed out you needed the distilate manifold, heat shield and shutters to heat up the H past "run" or it didn't work. Some old tractors would even burn used oil mixed in with the distillate, they weren't I-H.



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To Jay

07-21-2002 11:40:34




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
Jay: Go back down and read:.. "Gene.. found the file."



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Leroy

07-21-2002 07:28:06




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
Name was used interchangeably with kerosine, used with the first tractors back in the teens



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The Red Baron

07-20-2002 22:10:38




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
I asked my Uncle in Manitoba that question one time and he said that years ago it was common practice to simply mix 2 parts kerosene to 1 part gas.



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Gene

07-20-2002 20:14:00




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
Jay: There was an oil engineers post a couple years back that explained distillate. I guess there was a different method of "cracking" crude oil years back. Distillate was the unwanted liquid extracted just between all the other wanted fuels. All these unwanted liquids were blended together and sold as distillate. Since refining uses a newer method of cracking now, distillate is no longer part of that newer method. G.

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Gene..found the file

07-21-2002 11:37:15




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 Re: Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Gene, 07-20-2002 20:14:00  
: Distillate is simply the left over parts of crude oil after the more popular fractions have been distilled out! Hence the name.....

: : Basically, you'd take the crude oil and heat it in a still. The different hyrdocarbons in the crude mix will distill out in order of their complexity.
: : Methane (one), Butane (two), Propane (three), etc. All come out in order as gas and are sent to storage facilities at the well sites (usually). The crude oil is a mix of all of the liquid (at normal temperatures) HC chains. If you heat it up, the liquids turn into gas, with the lighter ones boiling off first, followed in succession by the heavier ones. The crude oil in the still will settle out at temperature points, which tells you what fraction is boiling off currently.

: : Now, since you want reasonably pure Gasolene, Kerosene, diesel, etc. you have a point where the liquid in the still is ramping to the next temperature point; you need to dump the output during the ramping into a different container. Once the temp. stabilizes at the next point, you switch the output to the pipes leading to the specific storage tanks (gas, kero, etc.)

: : So, when you're done with this process you have a number of tanks containing specific grades of fuels, and an extra tank containing a mixture of all of the fuels. This extra mixed fuel was referred to as distillate!

: : Now, you wonder where you can get it today? You can't! It hasn't existed since 1943! you see, the oil refining process was forever changed as a result of the Second World War!

: : A process for making a barrel of crude oil into a barrel of gasolene was needed to fuel the war effort. The distillation process was replaced by the cracking process.

: : Cracking involves a catalytic process whereby all of the HC chains in the crude are split in to single HC molecules. Then, these molecules are recombined into the required HC chains necessary to produce a specific fuel (Gasolene, Kerosene, Diesel, etc).

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Hyperpack

07-20-2002 20:13:15




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
I believe the best current example of what distillate was like is mineral spirits,Yep paint thinner. From what the old timers described to me it was lighter than kerosene and less potent than gasoline.To prove that an engine could run on 100% mineral spirits I ran my 318 truck engine on it for about 30 miles on the highway it ran well pulled good but I had to retard the ignition timing lots because the mineral spirits has little octane.I suspect you could run a tractor on it with little change because of the low compression.

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Zonie

07-20-2002 17:48:37




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
Distillate fuel was a type of fuel that was available cheap but it is no longer available as far as I know. The war time tractors used it because gasoline was just about nonexistant. I belive distillate was a bye product of the refining of gas or diesel fuel. IH made distillate, kerosine, diesel and gasoline tractors all of which started on gasoline and then switched over to the other type of fuel once the engines were sufficiently warmed up.
I think that most of the IH tractors were either gas or diesel by the early '50s.
Most of the distillate tractors run on gasoline now but I've heard of a few that can still run on kerosine

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Larry F

07-20-2002 17:18:45




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 Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Jay from Ohio, 07-20-2002 16:06:59  
Jay - Distillate fuel H's will run on kerosene and some old timers on this board tell tales of all kinds of strange mixes that early H owners burned in their distillate H's (diesel/fuel oil/etc). Yes-there are still H's out there that will run on kero provided they still have the necessary equipment (dual manifold/shutters/etc). I don't know why IH created the dual fuel engines but I suspect Guy Fay or other board historians may know. Hope this helps.

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robert

07-20-2002 18:15:04




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 Re: Re: What exactly is distillate? in reply to Larry F, 07-20-2002 17:18:45  
distillate,power kerosene or TVO(tractor vaporising oil) where quite popular in Aust,UK for the reason of cost & consumption power kero was 1/2 the cost of petrol , its quite rare to see a srt petrol tractor,where dual fuel is common

to make power kerosene now its a 50% blend of unleaded & lighting kerosene



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