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Mike ISW

04-15-2002 17:30:28




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Puttin' new brakes on my '48 H. Got L/H side all together and adjusted to get 1.5" free play. Put R/H side together and tried to adjust. Ran clevis part of adjuster all the way into spring and ended up with a little more than 3" free play. This can't be right! Can it?! Anybody got a suggestion for me? New bands are installed as the old ones I removed. Brake drums are both 9" in diamater. All parts were kept on the side I removed them from. Should I adjust the left side to match the right? I think that'll be too much free-play?

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jal-SD

04-16-2002 06:25:41




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 Re: H Brakes in reply to Mike ISW, 04-15-2002 17:30:28  
I checked my parts book last nite. The "long" side of the band goes over the top of the drum on both R & L sides. It connects into the top pin hole on the brake band lever. There are R & L brake band levers. The L part # is 58349D & the R part # is 58349D. Woodrift key goes into the split by the bolt on the brake band lever arm on both sides. As Chris says, Mike is right. Sounds like the pin is in the wrong hole or you have the wrong brake band lever on one side. Sometimes you can't go by the "way they were" as the last guy that worked on it may have had it wrong! (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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chris

04-15-2002 20:22:13




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 Re: H Brakes in reply to Mike ISW, 04-15-2002 17:30:28  
go with michael soldan said, I did brakes on my fatherinlaws H and what michael said sounds right



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jal-SD

04-15-2002 19:22:58




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 Re: H Brakes in reply to Mike ISW, 04-15-2002 17:30:28  
Mike, it's been a long time since I had brakes on an H apart so I don't remember if you need R&L hand bands or go if they go in opposite directions when you put 'em in. I'll check my parts book when I get home & post back tomorrow. I've also had to grind down the part of the band beind where the pins go as they wouldn't fit into the bracket correctly to let the bracket pull the band tight. Maybe thats your problem-the band has to bend to engage. Is the woodrift key in its proper place? (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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Michael Soldan

04-15-2002 19:31:02




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 Re: Re: H Brakes in reply to jal-SD, 04-15-2002 19:22:58  
Jal SD and I assume that's South Dakota you are right I had to grind the ends of a band to make it fit as well



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jal-SD

04-16-2002 14:55:00




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 Re: Re: Re: H Brakes in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-15-2002 19:31:02  
Yep, SD, the Rushmore State. Corn Palace City (Mitchell) to be exact. (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)



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Michael Soldan

04-15-2002 19:08:06




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 Re: H Brakes in reply to Mike ISW, 04-15-2002 17:30:28  
Boys I have done a couple of H's and there's something really wrong here as I read your description. The bands could be correct in the brake pan but is it possible that the adjusting mechanism (brake band lever)has been flipped a half turn inside the pan and you've put the pins in in that position so that it won't tighten up? Make sure that your very first adjustment is the set screws under the bottom of the brake pans. These screws should go in until they are snug, they won't go in all the way, these center the brake band inside the pan. Then you go to the clevis and set your adjustment there leaving an inch and a half or two on the pedal from the deck. Both my H's will slide the rear wheels on any surface and the adjustment was straight forward. I have a diagram in front of me here that my Case I-H dealer ran off of his computer , shows all parts and lists all part No.s. The more I look the more it seems that there's a possibility that the band may be hooked to the wrong holes in the brake band lever.( that is the lever got turned a half turn in the pan) I have an extra set of brakes and pans in the shop and I am going to go out and look. The other possibility is that the band is not the correct size as I have heard others on the forum say they bought jobber bands that were out by a half an inch..don't make sense that one fits and one doesn't..will check in the shop and get back if it still isn't figured out...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Mike ISW

04-15-2002 19:26:19




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 Re: Re: H Brakes in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-15-2002 19:08:06  
The one thing I forgot to mention is that the brake lever that attaches to the adjusting clevis is keyed. It appears that if I removed the key and then turned that lever up some and then cinched it down my adjustment would be correct. I was getting fustrated tonite and thought I'd better sleep on it. Nobody ever said this was going to be all fun and games..... ...lol



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Kevin Brown

04-15-2002 18:37:24




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 Re: H Brakes in reply to Mike ISW, 04-15-2002 17:30:28  
Are You Sure That You looked At The Bands Close?? They Are Different Thickness On A Car I Am Wondering if They Aren't The Same On The Tractor?? The Thin Band Goes In The Back And The Thick Band Goes On The Front Wondering If You Don't Have 2 Thick Ones On One Side And 2 Thin Ones On The Other?? If I Am Wrong Please Let Me Know As I Am Getting Ready To Do My 52H And I Don't Want To Screw It Up!! Thanks Guy"s Just My In Put Here..

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ff316

04-15-2002 19:18:46




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 Re: Re: H Brakes in reply to Kevin Brown, 04-15-2002 18:37:24  
H brakes are a little different than brakes on a car. I think you are referring to short and long shoes in drum brakes, correct? The H, and many other old tractors, have band brakes. They have a long, thin strip of metal with friction material on the inside. This wraps around the drum. When brakes are applied the strip cinches down on the brum. Same principle as the "strap wrench" advertised on TV. Maybe someone has some pictures of a brake job they can send you. The guys on here are great about helping out, so feel free to ask a bunch of questions when you are ready to do your brakes. If you live in central KY I may even be able to help. I haven't done any myself but 2 heads are often better than one. Good luck, Fireman

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Steven@nd

04-15-2002 17:40:05




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 Re: H Brakes in reply to Mike ISW, 04-15-2002 17:30:28  
Had the same problem with my H, any info why would be highly appreciated!! I know both brakes on mine were adjusted differently when I took them apart. I finally built myself a different adjuster for the one side that I could make shorter. I plan to use my tractor and safety is an issue before originality.

Steven



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