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Cseries

03-13-2002 20:33:02

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I would be interested to hear from the proud, and not so proud, haulers regarding their choice in Pickup truck and trailer rigs. I am "getting by" with my '96 GMC 3500 with 6.5 Turbo Diesel pulling a 24 foot gooseneck. Wish I could afford any of the new offerings by Dodge, Ford, or GM. I recently brought home an International 600 and 350 Utility, and wondered how other trucks perform with loads such as this. I won't be doing it again with my truck. I did make it home however, so I can't complain too much.

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Phil Auten (Tx)

03-15-2002 11:15:56

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I guess I'm the odd man out here. I pull a 18' flatbed "car hauler" trailer with my '91 F150 SC with a 300 CI six and 5-speed. I've hauled everything from a Cub to a Farmall M with it no problem. The only thing that's broken on this truck has been the A/C and that was at over 90K. It even has the original factory shocks on it! I get about 18 MPG on the highway (that's where most of my driving is done) and the truck now has 158K on it. I would love to have a new diesel pickup, but I can't justify the price. The difference in price for a diesel over a gas engine will buy me a couple of year's worth of fuel.

My 2�,
Phil

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Dave C.

03-15-2002 08:13:14

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

Well my .02 cents worth. I am running a 98' 4x4 Quad cab, Dodge Cummins, 24 valve, 5 spd, and 4.10s and haven't had a bit of trouble. In 100,000 miles I have put front brakes, front shocks, and a driveshaft seal in it. I pull a 30' gooseneck 4 horse all over the country. I will weigh 18,000 with truck trailer and equip for horse show. I get 16 to 18 mpg unloaded and 12 - 14 loaded running 75. I know a guy with a 94 Dodge std cab 12 valve Cummins that has 750,000 miles on it and it is still going. The only time my truck got slowed down was when I had a 40' flatbed gooseneck with 350 square bales of hay, and I was climbing a hill. I figure the rig weighed 30,000 plus with everything. I live in Westerm Missouri and I have climbed the Rockies and the Allegenies and pull past anything I want to. I just get rolling, set the cruise and please don't get in my way!!! LOL. Oh, and I haul my Cub with a flatbed too!!!

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Disturbed 1066

03-15-2002 04:30:50

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

A whole group of us here in Mich. have dodges with cummins,the oldest is a 90 the newest a 01'.It's funny to go through elkhart,IN,the guys that pull campers from there have mostly powerchokes, flat ground they will out run the dodge, on any type of a hill we pass every one of them. Two months ago the 90 and the 01 rolled over the scale at 32,550 lbs. Loaded with concrete barn slats. They went to SW Ohio avg. 11.4 mpg. I'd rather be cummin than strokin

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Red Rider

03-14-2002 20:15:46

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I pull a 24' deck tandum dual tired goose neck with a 1984 GMC 3500 dual tire rear axle, flat bed 4X4 with a 454, 4 Speed with a ranger spliter and 4.10 axle ratio. I generally haul two tractors when I go to tractor pulls. My total scale weight is 28K and I don't have any problem running at the speed limit. Very seldom do I have to shift down to 3rd over unless I'm pulling a pretty good grade. In 3rd over I can run 55 mph at 3500 RPM. I never run any higher RPM than 3500. I've had this truck since new and I would not trade it straight across for any of the new trucks.

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Zonie

03-14-2002 19:28:33

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I pull with a 92 Dodge W250 (3/4 ton 4x4) with the Cummins diesel and overdrive automatic. I'm closeing in on 200K miles with the only repairs to the engine being a thermostat at 100K and a fuel shut off selenoid at abot 130K, I've been thru a bunch of brakes though. I did find that Autozone started carrying Preformance Friction carbon metalic brake pads for my dodge and my brakes last about 4 times as long as they used to and they don't eat up rotors either.
This old Dodge really seems to pull better the more you load it down the easier it seems to pull.
If I ever buy another truck to pull with it'll be with a Cummins engine! And it won't have an automatic transmission.

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Andy

03-14-2002 17:35:16

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I have a 99 f350 with a V-10in it. It gets 16mpg unloaded and 10 with 20000 pounds behind it. It has 110000 miles on it so far, and runs as goo now as the day it was new. It has neved been in the shop. I love it. I also have a 96 F 350 with a stroke in it, and at 115000, it started using more oil than diesel, and it got the same milage as my V-10, and it doesent pull as good. Just my 2 cents.

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Frankie P

03-14-2002 15:57:44

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I bought a new Duramax Chevy last year, and sold it last year after 2 cracked heads and one complete engine in about 8500 miles. I bought a new S model Navistar with the 466-E and the allison auto,with rear air ride. Best towing truck I've ever had. Gets 17-19 mpg empty, and 14-14 1/2 pulling a 32' gooseneck with 19000 on it. My Duramax cost me $37,600 (all the bells and Whistles) The S model cost me $38,200 with a new 14' Ebey aluminum body and goose neck hitch. It seems like alot of money, but I put 70-75000 miles a year on a truck, and this one should run 4-500,000 miles before any major repairs are needed.

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Rob

03-14-2002 15:04:01

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I don't pull to near the extent that some of you do. I have a 93 Chevy 2500 with a 350 and automatic. I pull a 18' trailer. I does allright pulling my Farmall H and Ferguson but I am saving my pennies for a new truck. I have no use for Ford trucks and I will never own another Dodge vehicle but I have to say, The Ford Powerstroke has really impressed me. I work for a Fire Dept. and the squads that we have run these engines and I tell you we are not easy on our trucks. These engines take everything that we throw at them. I myself am waiting to see how the Duramax holds up. That is what I am hoping to buy in a couple of years.

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ddg

03-14-2002 12:15:38

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

The Dodge/Cummins pickup discussion board.
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/

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Bill Ramsey

03-14-2002 09:59:04

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I have a Dodge Dually 6 speed and a 30ft. tandem axle trailer I haul a lot backhoes loaders and haul grapes for the local winery here in central Texas I have hauled 32,000 pounds of grapes and never a problem wouldn't have anything else,but it an expensive rig to buy. If I had a GMC or Chevy Diesel I would put a Banks Turbo on It and you could go right on down the road.

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Bob Kerr

03-14-2002 09:41:41

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

Are you sitting down! I tow with a 1971 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser and would't trade it for any of the diesel rigs. No foolin! I get the same milage as a cummins, better ride, cheaper repairs, cheaper general maintaince. It has a stock Olds 350, TH 400, 2.56:1 rear end (not posi), all the torque you could want, Heavy duty brakes, springs, frame, trans cooler, heavy duty cooling etc.I can set up the back into a "mini" hotel room and sleep better than I do at home in my own bed. It has over 400,00 miles and can leave right now to go coast to coast. I get about 16- 19 MPG while towing, and around 21-22 not towing( I keep a log book)! I get about the same milage whether in mountains or out in the flat land( the way I drive it does that). I have a steel deck car hauler trailer that weighs 1800 empty, and can haul up to the 5000lb load limit on the trailer. I have hauled my Steam boat which weighs 6000lb not including the trailer and can pull it up out of steep gravel boat ramps!( I have witnesses!) My only complaint is my trailer can only haul one tractor at a time. Not one hill on the east coast has given me fits and only one hill out west(so far) got me into low gear(I-17 south of Flagstaff AZ)and I had a big load of a 67 Olds cutlass supereme and a ton of parts, but I still passed a few semis.I think the only reason I got into low gear on that hill was because of the thin air at that elevation! So far I have spent about $5000 total on this car.$2700 to buy it and the rest in oil changes, tires, brakes, and other little things and I have absolutly run the wheels off it(160,000 miles in 4 years), but it still drives like a new one. I possibly shouldn't have posted this as I would like to find another Vista and they are getting scarce,It doesn't show any signs of dieing, just in case someone runs into this one.

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bigM

03-14-2002 09:13:01

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I have a 96 cummins in a one ton dodge, my brother has a 99 f250 with V10. My Dodge has a 5 speed and he has an automatic. He has a lot more power on the take off but I can keep up with him on the highway. I've been a ford man my whole life but after driving this dodge for a while, I will never drive anything but a cummins Dodge.

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Scott CT.

03-14-2002 08:30:28

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I have a 1982 Ford F-350, 400M, 4 speed with a 9' flatbed. Pull a 25' gooseneck w/ crank up beaver tail, carrying a 1945 Cockshutt 99 AND an Oliver 60 plus about 2000# suitcase weights. I pull from CT to VT with it. Locally, I haul a Case 580D backhoe or a Case 450 dozer. I added an Edelbrock Performer 4bbl intake and 600 CFM carb last year. She's not always the fastest on a hill, but never the slowest and I don't have payments every month.

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Ludwig

03-14-2002 06:53:59

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

If you're just getting by then I'm... Anyway.
I've got a '96 Dodge Dakota, 318 auto, w/
towing package.
Last summer we moved my '28 Regular 300+ miles in mid-august heat. Figure 4500 for the tractor, 1200 for the trailer. Thats supposed to be the limit anyhow.
Dakoter never skipped a beat, toughest part was climbing the big hill out of Caribou, we never got out of first gear. Of course theres railroad tracks at the bottom that I had to slow down for and I didn't really push it up the hill. Other than that we did 60mph on the highway and got 8-10mpg which was down from the usual 20.

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scotty

03-14-2002 06:39:16

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

Im not sure I should even comment on this post with all these big rigs but what the heck. I have a 2000 Dodge 2500 with 5.9L gas. I haul a 6000LB
tandem trailor with a Farmall A or Super A. I know thats a pretty light load. Would love to have a Cummins diesel but I do like the sound of my dual exhaust gas engine!
scotty

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Wildbill

03-14-2002 06:26:11

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

If you want a real Deisel, get the Cummins. They get great fuel mileage, they don't break down, and they will outlast the pretenders. I pull with a 3500 cab and chassis that weighs in at 7300lbs empty, the trailer is 6500lbs, and a backhoe that comes in about 16000lbs. It has never gone under 12mpg and will get 20mpg unloaded, but just barely. Will pull just as fast as you want to go. You CAN NOT build a V-8 engine as strong as a six, especially if there are space and weight limitations to consider. If we need to start a color war and discuss Deisel engine desgn and technology, I'm game. By the way, why doesn't CaseIH use Navistar 8s? How many of you Kenworth owners ordered your rig with a Navistar or Isuzu. I doubt if the trucks are much different, but the engines are. This is the second Dodge Deisel I have had and I have had no real problems. This reminds me of the days when I could not wait to get the 806 shut down so I could take a quick shower, jump in the Roadrunner and head into town to do battle with the Chevelles and GTOs..... .

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Denny Frisk

03-14-2002 10:07:03

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Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Wildbill, 03-14-2002 06:26:11

I can assure You that CAT, Cummins and many others successfully produce durable V-8's, 12's & 16 cyl. diesel engines for many OTHER applications. It's just that they're too big for the O-T-R trucks your familiar with. They're "Not Worse, or Better, JUST DIFFERENT" Like your Road-Runner. Bet Your's was the only Mo-Par right? Against how many GM's? I bet the Ford guys even picked on You. You never did mention how many miles or what years Your Ram's were. My '96 F-250 4X4 turns over a trouble-free 178K tonight.

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Wildbill

03-14-2002 11:30:37

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Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Denny Frisk, 03-14-2002 10:07:03

Okay Denny, you got me. The '92 belongs to my neighbor now and is closing on 300K. The '98 I have now has only 70K. We had a Chrysler and a Ford dealer and they all picked on me, but I was competitive at the least. I did get my doors savagly blown off by a '68 Hemi RR and a Mercury Cyclone Spoiler SCJ.

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Mr. Weld(TX)

03-14-2002 09:10:50

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Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Wildbill, 03-14-2002 06:26:11

I agree with WildBill. I too own a Dodge. It's a 3/4 ton 4x4 5spd with the 24 valve cummins diesel. I have not had any problems with it. Just got through hauling a 18' overbuilt gooseneck trailer loaded from front to back with a tractor and implements, and it did great. I only wish I'd had gotten the 410 rear end instead of the 355.

My friend has a 96 Ford 350 4x4 crew cab with the powerstroke. It also does a good job. He has had a few problems with injectors, but that is probably from the bad diesel he filled up with.

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Mitch

03-14-2002 04:43:46

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

I have been through the Chevy Diesel experience also. I had a 94' 6.5 turbo diesel and it went right from one problem to the next. From injection pump to auto. trans. problems. It is too bad because it really was a nice driving and looking truck but I really didn't dare to work it. I was frustrated with the diesel and bought a Ford Super Duty with the 5.4 V8. I had a lot of second thoughts about whether that would be enough power or not but it is 100% better than the Chevy. I haul a 20' gooseneck. The biggest load I've hauled was an Oliver 1650, around 10,000lbs and it really did a good job. I'm not saying it didn't slow it down considerably, but it does excellent for the size of the engine. Although I will more than likely go to the Powerstroke next time but for now, this little V8 works great for $4500 less than the diesel.

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Mr. J

03-13-2002 21:41:15

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

Cseries,

Not wanting to upset your Chevrolet loyalty, I've got a 2000 Ford F-350 Super-Duty with a Power Stroke Diesel and 6 speed manual tranny. It pulled a 24 foot trailer loaded down with an Oliver 770 and a WD-45 Allis with a 2 rown mounted corn picker no problem. Oh yeah, it was in late August with temps in the upper 90's. AND...it was 500 miles one way to northern Nebraska from where I live in SW Missouri. It took a real large hill to make the truck slow down at all in 6th gear, and when I shifted into 5th, the truck would increase speed all the way to the top. Also averaged 18 mpg there and back... I was very happy. I've heard lots of good things about the Cummins, my father has a 91 Dodge with a Cummins, won't keep up with my powerstroke, but it'll outdo just about all gas motors in my opinion. The new Duramax Diesels from Chevy sound pretty strong, but I've heard 5 seperate stories of either blown head gaskets or cracked heads within 5000 miles. It'll keep up with a powerstroke until you lose a bank of 4 cylinders. So, I'm a ford fan, also like Dodge's with Cummins, but haven't been a fan of the Chevy Diesel performance. I guess I saw too many of those 6.2 L diesels in trucks that wouldn't spin the tires in wet grass. Oh well....I tend to digress, Oh yeah....Check out our Chapter's new website and sign the guestbook.

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Salvage man

03-13-2002 22:56:15

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Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Mr. J, 03-13-2002 21:41:15

Go to Ford-Diesel.com and look at the 99 and newer power stroke forums. The power stroke has it's problems. Like crackle, loss of mileage, idle knock, bad injectors, 6 speed clutch failure, CPS failure. I know the duramax is not perfect, the Cummins also has some problems. If I had to choose a new truck I would pick the Cummins over the Power Stroke or the Duramax because the Duramax is to new, and Ford's and me don't get along

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Paul Shuler

03-13-2002 22:48:40

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Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Mr. J, 03-13-2002 21:41:15

Mr J, enjoyed your web site.I to am from SW MO in Springfield. About your truck, how do you like the 6 speed?This fall I looked at two of the big dealerships here in Springfield and both of them told me they no longer would have the 6 speeds in stock on the lot, but they could order me one. When I asked why, they both said they have had to do very costly warenty work on most everyone they have sold.I test drove one and liked it a lot. Just wondered if you have had any trany trouble with yours?

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Mr. J

03-14-2002 06:26:26

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Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Paul Shuler, 03-13-2002 22:48:40

Paul,

I haven't had a bit of trouble with my truck. It's got 42,000 miles now with several big hauling jobs under its belt. The 6 speed puts a gear between the normal jump from 4th to 5th...It sandwiches a gear in there so you don't lose a lot of RPM's. I love it, some have problems, but I haven't had a lick of trouble.

Jared Jeffries

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Ludwig

03-14-2002 06:46:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Mr. J, 03-14-2002 06:26:26

Hey Mr. J, what sort of unloaded mileage do you get? I'd like to have a bigger pickup, but I commute a long way for work and a gas engine would bankrupt me.
Of course I could drive a car also, but two repair bills??? Nah.

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Mr. J

03-14-2002 06:56:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Ludwig, 03-14-2002 06:46:56

Ludwig,

Consistently, unloaded I get 22-23 miles per gallon. But, I drive my truck for economy, nearly all highway miles and I keep her under 1500 rpm's until I hit 6th gear. It all depends on how you want to drive them. My truck is a 2000 model, they added an intercooler that year and it helped the mileage considerably. My brother has a 96 powerstroke and he has a tough time getting 16 unloaded, so, the engine has came a long way in a few years.

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Ludwig - excellent

03-14-2002 07:38:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Mr. J, 03-14-2002 06:56:35

Those are the numbers I wanted to see. My Dakota with the 318 gets 19-20 and I can't see me buying anything smaller or with less unloaded mileage. I drive 80 miles roundtrip to work, and have my Regular to tow which is all the Dakota can handle. If I need to tow the Super M I'd need more truck.
I've got 2.5 years left paying on the Dakota now, so when I'm finally ready to buy just think how good they'll be...

Maybe when my busted wing (broken left wrist) gets healed up I'll test drive a dorf....

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Jim (Mi)

03-14-2002 08:18:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Ludwig - excellent, 03-14-2002 07:38:43

I am surprised you feel you need more truck for your Super M. My dad has a 93' Dakota ex.cab w/318. Pulls my WD (#3500) around no problem. Also had weighted tires (#1200) and loader on (#2000). Heck never even slowed down. He pulls his 23' Whaler around in O/D all summer back and forth between the big lakes. Has well over 2 hundred k on her. Actually my 2000 Dakota w/3.9 pulled the trailer. Only went around thirty miles, and went slow since trailer had no brakes, but still pulled it.

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Ludwig - yeahbut

03-14-2002 08:32:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Jim (Mi), 03-14-2002 08:18:56

The Super M starts out a 5700, then 1200 for the trailer. One tire is filled, but I'm thinking to unload that. I'm pretty sure the tow limit on the Dakota is somewhere in the range of 5700 anyway. The whole truck only weighs 3500.
Its not a lack of power I'm worried about its the mass to keep everything going where I want when a big semi truck passes me on the highway.

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Jim (Mi)

03-14-2002 08:53:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Ludwig - yeahbut, 03-14-2002 08:32:23

Good Point.

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Ludwig

03-14-2002 09:09:32

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Jim (Mi), 03-14-2002 08:53:40

Its not that I don't think the truck can handle it either, its that I drive that truck 80 miles round trip every day. I can't have it down and I don't have $$ to spend repairing it all the time.

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Jim (Mi)

03-14-2002 10:31:05

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Ludwig, 03-14-2002 09:09:32

I do 130 a day. Have an 87 Ram w/318. Gets about 9mpg with hurricane Hugo behind it. Dakota pretty much gets sat. Get around 330 miles on full 23gal tank. Have a shadow I drive. Gets 420 miles on 14.4gallons. Friend has 2001 Ram w/5.9 Diesel. 100 miles roundtrip. 25 bucks/week. Fortunately lease is up soon.

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Steven@nd

03-13-2002 20:49:00

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Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Cseries, 03-13-2002 20:33:02

Just "getting by" eh? Well, I pull a 25ft gooseneck with our 82 Dodge 250 with a 318 and 4 speed and it has 124,000 miles on it. I haul 14 round bales (1250lbs each), have hauled 660 diesel, use it to haul the neighbors JD 4020 with loader and 23.1x34 tires with fluid. I guess I'm just "getting by" also.

I like the Super Duty Fords for a brand new truck, the new new dodges are ugly.

Steven

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Greg

03-14-2002 07:00:00

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Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Steven@nd, 03-13-2002 20:49:00

Okay, guys, just for a touch of nostalgia, allow me to introduce my pulling truck. '73 Chevy 3/4 ton Camper Special. One ton springs and chassis. Two wheel drive. STOCK 454 V-8 with over 400,000 miles, been rebuilt once with standard rings and bearings! Turbo 400 trans with external cooler and 4.11 rear end (original). Still looks like new. I hitch a borrowed trailer to it and pull either two of my old Buick Electras or a 1655 Ollie gasser and get with it. I realize that the newer hardware is vastly superior to my old Chevy, but I get a kick out of smoking those dinky little Cummins and knocking Powerstrokes on a hill...(at 4 mpg!!) Regards..... Greg

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Red Rider

03-14-2002 21:08:06

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Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Greg, 03-14-2002 07:00:00

I'm with you Greg, I can buy a lot of Gas for the price of one of those snazzy Diesel pickups. I paid 12K for my brand new GMC 3500 4X4 dual tire flat bed in 1984. That 454, 4 speed with Ranger gear splitter will eat those Power Stroke or Cummuns for lunch. True I burn more gas but I still have 40K in my pocket.

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SupC

03-15-2002 20:17:07

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Red Rider, 03-14-2002 21:08:06

Hey red Rider, I'm wondering about this Ranger gear splitter for 4 speeds. We've always been a Chevy 4 spd family, and I've never heard of something like this, but have always thought it would sure be nice, to have a low hole and a high one too on an old 4 spd. Please give me some more info. about this as to what it is, like a transfer case? Thanks, SupC

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Dave_D

03-14-2002 09:21:28

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Re: Re: Re: Pickup Truck Haulers in reply to Greg, 03-14-2002 07:00:00

4mpg - I guess I should be content with my 86 Dodge with the 360 getting 9mpg with a load. along that line, a neighbor has a good running 1948 1.5 ton GMC for sale. I was thinking of getting it and swopping the granny for one of the NV4500 5 speeds, a midland brake booster, and putting a turbo on the old 302 jimmy six. Fun thought...

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