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35mph road gear in a Super M???

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Steven@nd

02-21-2002 11:31:46




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And it was restored 2 years ago! Check out the link!

Steven




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The Dukester

02-22-2002 19:10:18




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Looked it over again and seriously, it looks like a pretty decent M. Seat spring's either missin', busted, or squashed down. The sheet metal looks good and the grill looks flawless, got the insert in right and everything. I've seen some painted up Farmalls that the sheet metal looked liked it was straightened and fitted by a blind bear cub. For the money, it might not be the worst buy after all.

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The Dukester

02-22-2002 18:51:20




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Wow! Runnin' it in 5th at 35 mph with them rear wheels narrowed up like that must be like playin' Russuan Roulette with 5 holes filled on the old .45. Oh--I see, the front wheels are widen'd out. Hope she don't shimmy. Hmm--engine's gotta rev up pretty fast--prolly got an overdrive!



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whew!

02-22-2002 07:31:08




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Glad I am not the guy with the tractor. Don't be quite so hard on the guy. He is probably just misinformed, or a little overconfident in his tractor. I imagine we all have had to eat our words a time or two. What is the old saying....make your words tender, as tomorrow you may have to eat them. It does prove though that one needs to be informed when buying as the seller may not be.



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cd

02-21-2002 20:23:24




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
restored 2 years ago can hardly tell hahahaha 3point try to see it in the picture i see a straight drawbar, take note he has no bids or atleast on the link that is, and i wonder what his seller rating will be if someone buys it.



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Blaine Griggs

02-21-2002 19:38:24




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Years ago I used to pull a 1951 Wards ER Fluid Drive tractor in the 4500 lb SS class.It had a 250 flathead 6 Chrysler took up to 288 cubes.We turned it 6000 rpms.It had 18.4x38's with a NF.We loaded it at a neighbors dock 1 mile away.It was run over there at 60 mph several times and it was so narrow it would fit in our 62 Ford F-600 truck with the grain sides on.You would have to turn alot of rpms to get an M Farmall up to 35mph.There were several M Farmall SS pulling tractors in our area that turned well over 4000 rpms so they were capable of 35 mph plus if you had enough hair on your chest.

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JDM

02-21-2002 17:12:05




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
No Way!It would flip over from having the rears et all the way in,or wait!Maybe they are that way to streamline it!



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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2002 18:16:09




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to JDM, 02-21-2002 17:12:05  
I am with you, I would more concerned with where those rear tires are set than the narrow front. In fact I would have some concern driving around farm in 3rd gear normal rpm. Those rear tires gotta be on 56" centres or less. The guy is an idiot.



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Chris

02-21-2002 15:53:46




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Why is every one against the narrow front end? If you take your time and rebuild them from top to bottom including installing new bearings and bushing and a new top gear you will be able to drive them down the roads with out shaking at any speed. Now for the 35 MPH in a old M, I'm not saying it can't be true, but. I know our Farmall 450's will do 28-32 MPH on the roads and our Farmall 460 will do a easy 34-36 MPH. It isn't that hard to made the newer series of Farmall to got top speed on the roads. All you have to do is increase the RPM's but you better have your motor in good shape or it might just come apart on you. Have fun every one, the red tractors are here to stay.

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farbs10

02-21-2002 15:10:42




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Ya know id like to see that guy move that M 35 mph, if hes telling the truth weel find him some day trapped under a rolled over tractor. There is no way in this world it will be able to handle those speeds



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dave h

02-21-2002 15:32:41




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to farbs10, 02-21-2002 15:10:42  
this is not that unbelievable. My dad bought a superMTA back in 1988. I drove it home for him, when I got on the highway and opened it up, it seemed awful fast .The front tires began to bounce before I slowed. Dad was following me in the truck. He said I was doing 30 mph. took it back to dealer. it was running a rocket govener, with rpm,s set at 2800. we turned it back to stock. all was normall after that, but it drug our 44 M all over the farm.

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Steven@nd WHOOPS!

02-21-2002 14:44:22




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
I don't know where i got the Super from, it doesn't say that on the auction. Oops!

Steven



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Bob M

02-21-2002 13:25:05




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
Perhaps the seller is confusing MPH for KPH?!! He wouldn't be the first (recall the great minds at NASA made this error a few years ago and crashed a $100+M Mars lander as a result....) More likely however the seller is blowing smoke or he's just full of s*** - probably both! Observations:

1 - Decals and lights make says it's a regular M, not a Super. Already the seller's credibility is questionable...

2 - A stock M is good for about 16 MPH in road gear. To get to 35 you either need to run the motor around 3,500 RPM (wow!) or else somehow regear the rear end to cut the final drive ratio in half (theoretically possible, but unlikely without spending LOTS of $)

3 - Only a lunatic would run an NF tractor at the speed the seller claims it will run - especially so with the NF wheels set wide as shown in the photo!

I suggest the reality is we have a standard, barnyard variety M which an uninformed, overly optimistic seller is trying to turn into some fast bucks.

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Denny Frisk

02-22-2002 06:43:36




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Bob M, 02-21-2002 13:25:05  
Your right Bob - M was supposed to run 16 mph at1450 RPM. so 35 mph would be 3172 rpm according to My calculator... 5th was a direct drive in all those Letter series Farmalls, (H,SH,M,SM,SMTA etc.) so to increase speed without over-reving the engine would require a change to the ring gear/pinion or the bull gears. I agree with others with the rear tread set at the narrow 48 to 50" width like that 16 mph would be fast enough for Me.... The Seller has the IQ of a toad or a Death Wish.... Decent looking M but not worth the $1900 He wants

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Bob M - w/GPS speed readings

02-22-2002 10:25:51




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 Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Denny Frisk, 02-22-2002 06:43:36  
Your math is right on Denny!

A while ago we speed tested my Super M. The tractor is factory stock except for 14.9 (oversize) rear tires. Speed was measured with a Magellan 315 GPS (+/- 0.1 mph accuracy) and RPM with a Fluke 87 DMM. We learned the SM will do exactly 18.8 mph at 1495 RPM. We then double checked the speed using the radar ground speed function reported by one of my kids on a JD 8300 following behind - indicated speed matched the GPS exactly.

Subjective observation: 18.8 mph is faster than I am comfortable with on an NF tractor - especially on a poorly paved, highly crowned rural road!

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gene b

02-21-2002 15:32:59




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Bob M, 02-21-2002 13:25:05  
ther are guys that know how to make them run and with some 15.5s or larger they will run that fast also some people know how to use special gears dont bet against it narrow fronts are ok better for speed than wide used to coast all the time with wagons of shelled corn etc were young and no better sense ever been on a 8n FORD with a wire on the governor they run also



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Bo

02-21-2002 15:41:56




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 Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to gene b, 02-21-2002 15:32:59  
I think you're dreaming like the guy with the M. 15.5 won't make it run 20 let alone 35.



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gene b

02-22-2002 20:14:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Bo, 02-21-2002 15:41:56  
how many Ms have you drove with the overdrives and other stuff 15.5 will run 20 pluss easy come on down and go for a ride



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cd

02-21-2002 16:28:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Bo, 02-21-2002 15:41:56  
you missed the rpm factor.



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Bo

02-22-2002 15:25:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to cd, 02-21-2002 16:28:48  
What?--32 or 3300 RPM,s--Dream on.



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cd

02-22-2002 16:48:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Bo, 02-22-2002 15:25:41  
dont think thats possible huh? well for your information i have a 240U that is running 3000rpm everyday like nothing 3200rpm isnt out of the question man



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Bo

02-23-2002 19:08:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to cd, 02-22-2002 16:48:05  
240 has 4" stroke and M has 5 1/4. Shorter the stroke the easier to turn rpm's. Don't think you know too much about engines.



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sod

02-21-2002 13:12:22




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
There's one in the photo ads that says it runs good but there is a chain hooked to the front end in the picture. I'm not saying he's lying, maybe it was too cold to start it that day.
sod



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sprout

02-22-2002 00:23:46




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to sod, 02-21-2002 13:12:22  
I noticed the chain. pretty heavy chain for a dog? also didnt see a muffler though and that made me wonder if it really ran?



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sod

02-21-2002 13:34:58




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to sod, 02-21-2002 13:12:22  
I have to say that the guy sent me a quick reply on the question about the chain on the front of his for sale M. It turns out that the guy chained his dog to the tractor while he was working or something.
I was wrong to jump to conclusions. A lot of humans want to think the worst of people, don't they? I'm sorry.
good luck
sod



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John S-B

02-21-2002 15:14:18




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 Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to sod, 02-21-2002 13:34:58  
What kind of sick, warped, twisted person would chain a dog to a perfectly good farmall!?



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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2002 18:03:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to John S-B, 02-21-2002 15:14:18  
Cruel to the dog especially when so cold the tractor wont start.



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big fred

02-21-2002 13:46:24




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 Re: Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to sod, 02-21-2002 13:34:58  
Musta had his brain in neutral when he took the picture though. I would imagine you weren't the only one that thought that, and it would be a simple matter to remove the chain before taking a picture.



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Tim Malin

02-21-2002 12:14:56




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
I think the guy really screwed up, man. I think it is actually an early 1952 regular M, but it is downright stupid to have a ratio able to move 35mph. That is frickin' stupid, man. A narrow front tractor isn't supposed to be capable of those speeds. Now, not saying the guy is stupid, but I am assuming he went off of a car spedometer, which many are rediculasly wrong at low speeds. It made a good laugh, but it is probably simply incorrectly estimated. (P.S.-If you ever find a gear that would produce that kind of speed on an M or Super M, let me know...I would like to install it.)

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Farmall-Nut

02-21-2002 12:14:16




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 Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Steven@nd, 02-21-2002 11:31:46  
I sure hope my restoration looks a little less vintage in three years.Who knows maybe the 35 we all get in high gear just blows the paint right off them.I bet it pulls one &^%*of a sled too!Hey Steven hows the H project coming.I can still look for parts if you need anything?



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Steven@nd

02-21-2002 14:40:22




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 Re: Re: 35mph road gear in a Super M??? in reply to Farmall-Nut, 02-21-2002 12:14:16  
With the added H for parts I am doing GREAT!! Just waiting on the machine shop so I can order an engine kit and start reassembling. I am going to stop at the CaseIH dealer tomorrow and get some misc seals for the brakes and tranny and liftall pump. I'm sending my order to Bermuda Ken tomorrow for some other goodies to finish it off.

Should have her running in about 2 months, since I only work on weekends.

I'll let ya know if I need anything!
Steven

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