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AAm

06-08-2007 08:56:56




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I just looked a nice looking 48 cub. Asking price is $1200 dollars. Includes a disk, breaking plow, assortment of cultervators plows,a belly mower.He says the motor was rebuilted and the hydralics work. Problem it does not run. He says it only needs tunning.
What do you think? Deal or no deal.
Avery




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AAm

06-08-2007 20:09:54




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
Thanks Guys
I will go back and talk to the man armed with all the good info and go from there. I just had surgery on my eye and don't know if he will wait a few days until I can work on it.
Thanks again
Avery



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Bob Kerr

06-08-2007 18:45:23




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
If I were looking at a nice cub with all that stuff asking price of $1200 and it didn't run I would want to find out why it didn't before getting into a can of worms. In my past experiance when people say it just needs a "tune up", it really needs a valve job at the very least. It may be rebuilt, but some people use a spray can and call it rebuilt. Some people slap in new rings in egg shaped cylinders or just new gaskets and call it rebuilt. If he doesn't want to get it running himself see if he will let you get it running but make sure you lock in the agreed price before you do get it started just incase he changes his mind when he hears it. You could always charge him for doing the work up front say about $50 for 2 hours worth,and deduct it from his asking price if you decide to take it, and take the money for the work if you don't want it.

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Bigdog

06-08-2007 16:18:13




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
It's reasonable. If you're not interested, send me the contact info and location.



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Hugh MacKay

06-08-2007 12:27:41




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
AAm: Non running tractors are parts tractors, and here is how I look at it. Tractor with no visable welded up castings is worth $500. and good sheet metal is worth another $500.

Implements are worth scrap metal price, plus the amount of money you don't have to spent on wear parts. New blades, belts, disks, cultivator and plow wear parts soon run into money, and without all those wear goodies in good shape, you just have a pile of scrap metal.

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BOBM25

06-08-2007 16:28:24




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 Re: What to do? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-08-2007 12:27:41  
Oh, now come on Hugh. Non-running tractors are parts tractors? I don't agree with that. If the motor is free there is no reason why a little tinkering shouldn't get 'er up and going. It might not run good, but it should run. I've seen some pretty rough cubs smokin major blue bring 1000. Maybe it goes by area, though. Aam, a friend of mine bought a non-running W9 off an older gentlemen for 500 bucks once. It hadn't moved in 15 years. It didn't run. Fresh gas and a new battery and he had 'er cruisin with a 3-14 plow 2 days later with a HUGE smile on his face!

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Hugh MacKay

06-08-2007 17:21:19




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 Re: What to do? in reply to BOBM25, 06-08-2007 16:28:24  
Bob: You suit your self, if a seller can't or doesn't want to start a tractor, one can only assume something serious is wrong. If it were simple he'd have it going.

The 140 I have, my son found it in a heated warehouse, the owners hadn't been able to get it going in 15 years since they bought the farm, 140 included. They refused to try and get it going. My son said, "It's a 4 cylinder gas Farmall, with fire at the right time and gas 20' of towing will start any of them." According to the owner they had been there and done that, had several mechanics work on it over the years, still no go. The owner said to Sandy, "You tow tractor, and when your finished tow it down in bush and leave it there." Sandy called me, said, "What will I offer for 140, 2x12 fast hitch plow and 6'fast hitch disk?" I said go back and offer them $1,000. He did and they accepted.

He called, said come quick with a truck before they change their mind. I did, and a friend and I went armed with 12 volt battery, jump cables, fresh gas, points, condencer, rotor, distributor cap, etc. In less than 5 min. my friend and I had it going and loaded implements and tractor.

I expect this tractor has yet to see 500 hours of service since new, it handles like a new tractor. The sheet metal is perfect. I have no idea who these guys had for mechanics, but they scewed up just about all one could imagine. I spent $1,500 on parts to get it running perfect. They had left the cooling system half full all those years and right off it was over $500. for new rad and water pump. Above the coolant line everything was a mass of rust. It required battery, amp guage, alternator, ign parts. It had been leaking calcium chloride some of those years and rims were toast. Someone had run it with rims loose on wheels, thus had to replace both the cast and pressed steel wheel. I expect that wheel damage happened the week the tractor was new. It is truly amazing how much damage incompentant folks can do, and really never do any productive work with a tractor.

Bear in mind, I don't just half fix tractors, everything is done so that tractor can be put to work, and work all day, all week with no break downs.

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Andy Motteberg

06-08-2007 11:00:00




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
I think that price sounds okay.



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old

06-08-2007 10:49:14




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
Well I would figure it this way. Plow and disk are worth around $100-200 each, so thats say $200 then the belly mower another $300-500 so then thats a total of $600 just in those things so that makes the tractor price around $600 which if the tires are good and the sheet metal is good isn't all that bad for a non running cub. But ya you have to ask if it was so simple to get running why hasn't he done so. If a simple tune up would do it then a little emery cloth and a piece of paper to clean up the points and it would most likely run if its that simple a problem. Look close at the oil etc. It may tell you a story

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glennster

06-08-2007 09:35:30




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
sounds like its got a lot of stuff with it. even if you cant get her running, you can part everything out and get your money back. cub is a pretty simple tractor to work on, if its been rebuilt, you should be able to get it running.



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Cue P.

06-08-2007 09:34:51




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 Re: What to do? in reply to AAm, 06-08-2007 08:56:56  
Depends on where you are but price sounds a bit high for something not running. But it could be something simple too and you'd be getting a deal. All the equip is only worth something if you need it and will use it. Tell him if you can get it running in an hour or so on his property the you'll give the full amount. If not offer him less and tow it home and work on it.



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A. Bohemian

06-08-2007 09:43:34




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 Caveat Emptor in reply to Cue P., 06-08-2007 09:34:51  
Quote: "He says it only needs tunning."

Then you have to ask yourself, why doesn't he tune it so prospective buyers could hear it run? It would be a hell of a lot easier to sell if they could SEE and HEAR for themselves that it ran well.

Conventional wisdoms says, if the seller COULD make it run, he WOULD.

This isn't always true, but it is true at least seventy-five percent of the time.



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Nat 2

06-08-2007 13:30:16




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 Re: Caveat Emptor in reply to A. Bohemian, 06-08-2007 09:43:34  
Yes, but at least 75% of the time, the seller CAN'T make it run, so he DOESN'T. He's just not capable of troubleshooting the issue.

How many times have you seen posts on here, "Help! My tractor won't run?" Most people have a mental block that has them believing that they are not mechanically inclined, and are "too stupid" to comprehend anything that runs on gasoline.



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