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Farmall differential question......

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Patrick Martin

05-06-2007 18:39:28




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Do both wheels pull on out tractors or does just one wheel deliver traction?

I ask because honestly I haven't checked. I used my neighbors tractor the other day and got it bogged down a little so I stepped down on that little bar under the seat and locked both wheels and powered out.

I notice that we don't have such an option on the older tractors. I know my 100 doesn't have such an option and I don't think the M has it either.

Are the differentials open or locked or are they locking and can be energized by brake pressure?

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chadd

05-07-2007 08:58:45




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 18:39:28  
As others have said, it depends on what is under the tires. The differential is taking part in a constant balancing act as to how much power it applies to each wheel. The gearset in a differential basically has three outputs, the left wheel, the right wheel, or both wheels. It will provide power to the one that is easiest to accomplish. So, it will apply power to the wheel that spins the easiest or has the least resistance to rotation. That is the reason that when you have one tire on dirt and the other in mud, the tire in the mud will start spinning. It is also the same reason that if a tractor has one new and one bald tire, the bald tire always spins first. By stepping on the spinning side's brake, you are increasing its resistance to rotation, so it will begin transferring power back to the other wheel, or if you balance it correctly,(which can be hard to do) both wheels. By using the brakes, you aren't "energizing" anything, you are simply changing the variable that the differential monitors and balances.

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Janicholson

05-07-2007 07:08:15




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 18:39:28  
I enter the frey. With a mental description (fun I hope)

Imagine the capital letter T. Put a pivot point at the place where the top intersects the vertical part, so the top coule move like a teeter-totter. lay it down flat (in your mind) on a table.
Now if you pulled the T along with the vertical part as the handle the top would also be pulled along. if we put a small fishing wt on each side of the top, all the way out to the end, there would be equal drag on each side, and the top would remain perpendicular to the "tongue" because the amount of drag on each side is equal. Now if the T was pulled through a bit of a waxed spon on the table with only one side of the top of the T passing through it, the top would pivot and the easy to slide end would go fast, and the other side would stop.

That is what happens inside the differential. Though the T is composed of a set of spider gears abd side gears, it is effectively identical. If the rear end of most tractors and cars is lifted off the ground, one tire can be turned forward, and the other will turn the opposite rearward (unless they have a differential lock, or "positraction" or some other system). Equal amounts of force are applied to both.
When one of the brakes is applied, the brake force just drags the slipping side back so that the opposite tire gets more force. JimN

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Allan In NE

05-07-2007 03:46:01




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 18:39:28  
Each tire drives and "pushes" against the other via the differential.

Allan



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BF8690

05-06-2007 20:08:39




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 18:39:28  
Yes. On the letter series farmalls both tires pull as long as you have your brakes clean and evenly adjusted.



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BF8690

05-06-2007 20:09:31




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 Oh yeah in reply to BF8690, 05-06-2007 20:08:39  
They do not have diff locks either.



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CNKS

05-06-2007 19:09:26




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 18:39:28  
I'm only familiar with the locking differentials on the 60+ JD's. There you engage a foot pedal, I believe it disengages when you push a brake, don't remember. Never needed it much. The IH letter/early hundred series did not have them. I have a 460 that doesn't have it, so I don't know when it became available. Pushing the opposite brake does help.



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georgeky

05-06-2007 19:14:42




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to CNKS, 05-06-2007 19:09:26  
I have a 666 and it doesn't have it either. It is basicly a newer version of a 460/560. The 54,64,74,84, and so on do have them. I don't know about the bigger tractors.



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CNKS

05-06-2007 19:12:12




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to CNKS, 05-06-2007 19:09:26  
I meant the brake of the spinning wheel, as the others said, not the opposite one.



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City-Boy McCoy

05-06-2007 18:44:34




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 18:39:28  
Patrick: On our older tractors, I have been told to apply brake to whichever wheel starts to spin, and the other wheel will pick up traction and keep pulling. Sounds good anyway, eh? mike



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georgeky

05-06-2007 19:02:54




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 05-06-2007 18:44:34  
Mike, that is how it works, and it does work.



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Patrick Martin

05-06-2007 19:17:16




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to georgeky, 05-06-2007 19:02:54  
Good to hear guys. :)
I thought it was something along that route. My trucks locker is like that. If the wheel slips I just apply a little friction with the parking brake and BOTH wheels lock up.

So on our tractors we can only energize one wheel at a time? It would be nice if someone made a locker kit for both wheels. :)



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Nat 2

05-07-2007 07:31:32




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 19:17:16  
The old tractors had an open differential. BOTH wheels are "energized" as long as the traction on both wheels is identical.

HOWEVER, as soon as one wheel's traction becomes less than the other, ALL the power gets put on the wheel with less traction. Since locking differential is not an option, you apply the brake to the spinning wheel to transfer power back to the wheel with more traction.

If you did not have a differential, you would not be able to turn the tractor.

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Wardner

05-07-2007 00:20:25




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 19:17:16  
ChadS, who occasionally reads this forum and posts alot on the pulling forum, has said that he manufactures a locker for some letter series and later tractors.

Goto the pulling forum and search on "lockers" or "locking".



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ChadS

05-07-2007 06:52:35




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Wardner, 05-07-2007 00:20:25  
We have a limited slip setup, its basicly an axle installed thru the brake pinion shafts with a clutch pack mounted on the end of the installed axle. It locks one side solid, and clutches the other side, holding both pinion shafts turning together. We also have a kit that installs between the bull gears, but you wont have a PTO in a Farmall H-SM. The clutch is fully adjustable, you can tighten it down, and make it more like a locker, or set it to where it just slips a tad for easier turning. Chad

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1965LONEWOLF

08-13-2007 09:36:41




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to ChadS, 05-07-2007 06:52:35  
where is the website that has this limited slip setup ? would like to know more about it... please get back to me a.s.a..p. - thanks



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CNKS

05-06-2007 19:24:32




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to Patrick Martin, 05-06-2007 19:17:16  
Both rear wheels pull more or less equally, until one loses traction, as in wet ground. When plowing the land wheel will slip the most because it has the least weight on it, but it is still pulling. If you need a locker for normal field work, the tractor is either overloaded, or it's too wet anyway. It would be nice when blading snow, etc.



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BF8690

05-06-2007 20:11:57




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 Re: Farmall differential question...... in reply to CNKS, 05-06-2007 19:24:32  
I have found on my M that if you clean out the brake pans and adjust them evenly that they are less like to slip.



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