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What Is Draft Control?

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City-Boy McCoy

03-11-2007 20:03:54




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Howdy, boys: What is draft control? How does it work? What were the first farmall tractors equipped with it? As always, thanks. mike




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Hugh MacKay

03-12-2007 03:13:27




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 03-11-2007 20:03:54  
Mike: The very first automatic IH draft control was 230, 350 and 450. Draft being the actual act of pulling, thus draft control was activated by the amount of pull automatically. The first ones on 230, 350, 450, 330, 340, 460 and 560 weren't much to write home about, but then neither were the ones being produced by the competition. IH more than made up for lost time in 63 with the 06 tractors. The draft controlled hitches on 06, 56, 26, 66 and 86 series tractors are still not out of date in 2007, in other words no one has built a better one.

The item Wardner speaks of on the Cub came at same time on Super A and C and was really only a depth control. I agree it was turned into a manual draft control by users, as they could activate it transfering weight from plow to tractor as the going got tough. The Cub was a manual lever whereas the Super A and C could be changed hydraulically on the go. This same principle was incorperated in the first fast hitches on Cub, Super C, 100, 200, 300 and 400. It was use until end of production on Cub and 140. All but the Cub could be changed by hydraulic function, on the go during plowing. I actually like these first ones better, than the 30-50 and 40-60 units. I guess that is because the first automatic draft control didn't work very well, plus when it didn't work, there was little one could do about it. At least with old ones a person could grab the lever and change it.

One quality I particularly like about Cub, C, SA, and the first fast hitches, if the soil is not uniform or the same soil type across the entire field. One encounters parts of the field where plow goes exceptionally deep, other areas average and shallow as well. One can correct this with manual depth control, and it is damn neat to be able to do that hydraulically on the go. It was convenient to do it with manual levers, but unless one is quite rugged in the upper body, he had to stop for the change.

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georgeky

03-12-2007 07:29:13




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-12-2007 03:13:27  
Hugh, I dont know what the deal was with the draft on those 30,50 series, My dad has a 230 we have never been able to get it to work very well, but the one on my 350 works like a charm. They are basicly just a like . Why would one work well and not the other?



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Hugh MacKay

03-12-2007 09:31:42




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to georgeky, 03-12-2007 07:29:13  
George: That seemed to be the nature of the beast. I've heard guys say they worked well, yet a lot more claimed they weren't worth a damn. If one looked around other makes were also having trouble with draft control. Those early Fords and Fergies were nothing to write home about either.

I had it on my 560, but only used it for a corn planter and sprayer. My plows, disks and cultivators were all trailer models. When the tractor was about 8 years old the spider gears went in control valve and I replaced it with a regular double action valve from a 300, I had on hand.

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Wardner

03-11-2007 23:38:08




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 03-11-2007 20:03:54  
I assume you are talking about mounted plows. It is just as well as I don't know anything about trailer plows.

Was the Cub the first IH tractor with a mounted plow? If so, it had the first draft control. It was manual and used a hand operated lever to raise and lower the front of the plow beam via the inverted drawbar. It works quite well. It can be adjusted while underway.



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Nat 2

03-12-2007 05:09:14




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to Wardner, 03-11-2007 23:38:08  
Didn't the A and B both have mounted plows as options? The Cub didn't come around until 1947 and it was supposedly modeled after the A. Indeed the designs of many Cub implements and how they mount are very similar to the A.

That's depth control, and actually predates even the 1939 A. I've seen older F-series tractors with mounted plows that had depth control. Of course they got simpler as time went on, and more effective.

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georgeky

03-12-2007 07:24:06




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to Nat 2, 03-12-2007 05:09:14  
There was also mounted plows for H and M, but no real draft control. I don't recall seeing a moldboard plow other than a 2 way 1 bottom on a H once, but there were mounted 2 and 3 bottom disk plows for the H and M. I have a 3 disk plow that I bought at a auction several years ago for my M I gave a whole 6 dollars for it.



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georgeky

03-11-2007 20:59:54




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 03-11-2007 20:03:54  
I will do my best to explain. The first real draft control was on 350 and 450s it was mechanical,it used a cam system that would in a hard pull apply down pressure on the rockshaft thus applying pressure to the rear wheels for added traction to get through tough spots when plowing. The newer ones have hydraulic draft control on them. Some work off the top link it has a linkage hooked to top link and a spool in the lift unit. When in a hard pull it will do the same as the other one. The larger tractors are drafted off the lower lift arms and they to work on the same principal. These have to be adjusted for varying loads and field conditions. Really the C has draft but it is controlled manualy with the touch control and works quite well. I am not to good at explaining some of these things, but I hope this helps.

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wkw

03-12-2007 12:51:53




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to georgeky, 03-11-2007 20:59:54  
I believe I have draft control on my B414. I know on mine there are the words "deeper" with an arrow. I am assuming that I move forward the lever the deeper my 3 pt. implement is into the ground? My draft control lever moves when I move the 3 pt lever - I never know what the position of the draft control lever is supposed to be when I am working with my rear blade or work my chain harrows. Can someone explain, and it will have to be very simplistic for me to understand, what i should be doing with the draft control lever position relative to the 3 pt lever when working with various implements.

Looking forward to all your great information.
Ken

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georgeky

03-12-2007 14:35:23




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to wkw, 03-12-2007 12:51:53  
Unless you are pulling a mounted turning plow or subsoiler or something of that nature you dont need the draft control. I have never had any trouble with draft control on any of hy IH tractors. When plowing it will lift your plow slightly when it encounters a tough spot in the ground your working.Using the draft for plowing will not hurt your draft control that is what it was designed for. I have tractors with top link sensing which is what your's has, and some with lower link sensing and both types work well.

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L Mack

03-12-2007 14:05:36




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to wkw, 03-12-2007 12:51:53  
wkw, If the draft lever moves when your lift lever moves, it is from friction between the concentric shafts. The draft lever should not move with your lift lever. For the implements you mentioned, you do not need true draft control. You can control the depth on the fly using the depth lever. The only implements that I was ever able to get the draft control to work on was a Pittsburg Frame Cultivator with a B414 or a Ford Dexter. Heavier work such as disking or plowing would wreck the draft control in short order in my experience. Basically, the deeper or lower you set the draft lever, the deeper the implement should work with the depth lever set to the same point. For the work you are doing, I would simply turn the draft control off and go with touch control. I do not remember how to do that on the B414.

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wkw

03-12-2007 14:34:28




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 Re: What Is Draft Control? in reply to L Mack, 03-12-2007 14:05:36  
Thank L Mack. Yes, the draft control moves with the lift lever. If I try to hold the draft lever and move the lift lever independently it is quite difficult. There is a lot of friction! Can anyone provide some advice on how to fix this?

Thanks
Ken



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