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RedTed/MO

12-26-2001 05:27:08




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I've never used anything more complicated than a rattle can. I've only got one tractor to paint. But you all and your postings here have encouraged me: I'm good to give it a try. I do have a 6HP compressor. What kinds of guns do you all use? And what would you recommend to a first-timer? Thanks. RedTed/MO.




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Keith

12-26-2001 17:44:10




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
Guys, spend what ever you want but I promise you do not have to spend that much to get a good paint job on a tractor. 150 for a gun? Like Gen Anthony McCauliffe told the Germans at the Battle of the Bulge....."NUTS".



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Cliff Neubauer

12-26-2001 17:56:32




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 Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to Keith, 12-26-2001 17:44:10  
To get good results using the newer high solids urethane paints you do need to spend some $ to get a good HVLP gun. For a conventional gun you can get by with $50 because it is old technology but the "good" HVLP guns have only been around the last few years so they are pricey. I started out with a $80 gun from Wal-mart but I now have a Sharpe Platinum ($350) and I would not want to go back. As expensive as the urethane paints are the HVLP guns will quickly pay for themselves by getting twice as much paint onto the surface compared to a conventional gun.

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Phil - DeVilbliss User

12-26-2001 09:49:43




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
I have a DeVilbliss FinishLine series gun and couldn't be happier with it - Paid about $175 (including a professional cleaning kit) and it is really worth its weight in gold. Be Certain to go with the HVLP line instead of the standard, as the paint atomization is second to none. I can spray a tractor/street rod in my shop and not have to worry about drop-clothing everything in sight, as the HVLP unit is so easy to control with only 7-12 psi at the aircap. Handles all enamels, lacquers and clears without a problem. You WILL use the gun for several other 'smaller' projects if it works well and does a nice job - therefore spend a little more to get a lot more when you make your purchase.

As for paint, you can spend the bigger money for PPG's professional line paints, but I've found out that PPG's Omni series is high quality without the cost (Mainly a warranty difference, older professional PPG blend). Make a nice epoxy primer as well, although it isn't a filler/epoxy like DP 40.

Good luck

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Al

12-26-2001 14:53:10




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 Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to Phil - DeVilbliss User, 12-26-2001 09:49:43  
Phil,

Where are some good places besides the internet to shop for these guns? Also, how much air compressor does your gun require?

thanks,
Al



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Cliff Neubauer

12-26-2001 18:03:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to Al, 12-26-2001 14:53:10  
The Finishline II requires 11.2 cfm @23psi. Check your local auto parts stores as they should be able to order a gun for you if they don't carry them. I ordered mine from the site below and can't say enough good things about that site, the guy that runs it has been painting for 30 years and has tried most of the guns he sells so when he recremends a gun it's because he had good results from it.

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Al

12-26-2001 18:59:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 12-26-2001 18:03:54  
Thanks, Cliff. i'm going to have to dig out the manual on my air compressor. (IF I can find them!) It's a little 2.5HP model, off the top of your head should it be able to deliver that?

I asked a similar question a few days ago and you linked this site. It's very useful and probably where I'll end up buying.

thanks,
Al



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Cliff Neubauer

12-27-2001 06:09:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to Al, 12-26-2001 18:59:57  
I think you'll need more like a 5hp 60 gallon verticle compressor to use a Finishline. If you are going to do very much sanding with an air sander you will need a bigger compressor for that too.



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Kenneth Fass

12-26-2001 14:52:25




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 Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to Phil - DeVilbliss User, 12-26-2001 09:49:43  
Phil, do you get any orange peel with your hvlp gun?

-- Ken



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Dave_Id

12-26-2001 08:58:59




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
Whatever brand you plan on getting, it should be a gravity feed. Like Sammy is showing. I picked up a nice one at Lowes for around $100, and it had an air gage at the gun inlet. (very important) It does a real nice job. I threw my siphon feed gun away.

The cheap Walmart stuff can give you grief when you go to spray your clear coat, and or the sanding surfacer.

I buy PPG paint. (Omni brand) It's an excellent urathane paint, and won't cost you $250/gallon either. I paid $20 for a quart of single stage paint a couple of weeks ago, harder not included. They have paint instruction sheets for each product, giving mixing directions, dry times between coats, paint gun pressures, and what can be used with them. Also these sheets have prep instructions also.

With single stage paint you use finishing paint with a hardener, and two stage you use a base coat and clear coat over the top. Both types need epoxy primer first. You get a lot more professional job with clear coat and is alot easier to control, because you can touch up the base coat without doing a wet coat over the whole thing, and you can sand sags and other imperfections out of clearcoat and buff the clear.

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sammy the RED

12-26-2001 08:37:55




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
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If you decide you want to paint more than just one tractor, you should look at better quality guns. Like the Sata pictured above.



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Keith

12-26-2001 08:13:13




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
Red Ted,
I had the same dilemma last year and had some tractors and equipment to paint. Being a novice on painting I thought I would get ANYTHING cheap to get some experience then buy better later. I bought a Central Pneumatics one quart cup gun from Harbor Freigt, I bought the cheapest they had. three tractors, a 32 foot trailer, many plows, couple of feeders later it is still going strong and paints good enough for tractors etc. I have taken care of it and clean it very good after each use. Now it wouldn't paint a car but I have some fenders and hoods on tractors that look darn good. I have thought about painting my haul truck a 81 Chevy dually with it and may this spring. I know that pros here are gonna say I am insane but this cheap gun works for me. Also be sure to get your paint thinned nicely. I always use BPS paint from Tractor supply, mix it in a mason jar 3/4 quart paint 1/4 NAPTHA thinner. Two coats covers nicely.

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steve

12-26-2001 06:56:24




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
I use the $50. gun like Cliff mentioned. I have painted 3 trucks and two tractors in 6 years. Maybe 1 each summer. Just a casual user with a 4 HP compressor. I am very happy with the results i get. Like Cliff said, you can get the gun at Wal_Mart but dont get the enamel paint there. Go to your local auto body shop and pay the $200. for a gallon of enamel and a gallon of reducer and a cup of hardener. You will not be disapointed.

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Pete in PA

12-26-2001 07:56:01




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 Re: Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to steve, 12-26-2001 06:56:24  
Steve,

I'm a first timer too...could you elaborate a little on reducers and hardeners? I surely appreciate it...

Pete



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Cliff Neubauer

12-26-2001 06:13:13




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 Re: Paint Guns - Recommendations? in reply to RedTed/MO, 12-26-2001 05:27:08  
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For a one time project you can go to Wal-Mart and buy a $50 gun that will do a pretty good job or you could buy a little better gun and sell it when you are done. The paint you want to use will also help determine how good of a gun you need, the cheaper paints atomize easier than the better urethanes so the urethanes need a better gun to break up the paint better. The Devilbliss Finishline II gun pictured gets alot of good reviews and is only $150, if you keep it clean you could put it on Ebay when you are done with it and get most of that back. Also after you have painted one tractor you may get hooked and want to do more, it's a very contagious diasease with no known cure.

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