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H or M?

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Kenny Christoph

03-08-2001 13:22:53




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Ok, now I am debating on getting an H or M. Back to the basics I know... I don't think I can haul an M with my 1/2T, unless I get a gooseneck hitch, But will I be able to haul more with only a goosneck hitch as the change? Also.. What is easier to work on.. H or M.. How much better would my 1/2T haul an H than an M? How much would an H wiegh with a possible Farmhand F-17 loader or equivalent style/wieght? Is it better on Gas than an M?? And any other tips would be appreciated.

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Haas

03-09-2001 05:48:51




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 Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 13:22:53  
If you are going to haul with a 1/2 ton, stick with the H. The goose neck hitch will handle better, but it won't do a thing for the power situation. In fact you need more power with the goose neck because the trailers are typically heavier. If you try to haul an M with a 1/2 ton, for any distance, you will be looking for a heavier truck before long.



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One more thing

03-09-2001 06:10:39




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 Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Haas, 03-09-2001 05:48:51  
Why not go for a Farmall C or Super C. It will fit on the bumper hitch trailer and is lighter than the H or M. And your truck will be much happier hauling it. If you have any hills at all, your 1/2 ton is going to have problem with an M. I have a 99 chevy 3/4 ton with the 6 liter engine. An M on a goose neck trailer is all it wants. It is a manual transmission and will handle most interstate grades in 4th gear, but will pull down to 60 mph or so. Any grades that are marked as steep grades on the interstate require 3rd gear.

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F20II Be aware

03-08-2001 20:07:04




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 Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 13:22:53  
That alot of trailer dealers will not install a fifth wheel setup or even a 7000 GVW tow behind trailer setup to someone with a 1/2 ton pickup. When I bought my 9000pd GVW setup I had my 1/2 pickup there with a hitch on it, the dealer said that even with a 7000 trailer he would not let me tow it out of the yard. He stated that I had to have a 3/4 or larger in order to safely pull anything from 7000 and above. I have to agree, a Farmall " H " weights in about 3725 an " M " 5,075 add a little more than a thosand for trailer weight and you have over 2 tons behind you going down the road with an " H ", over 3 tons with an " M ". Out here in the hills I wouldn't want to be in front of you, even on flat land that a real good load for a 1/2 pickup to pull. I agree with the other fellow, why not go to a smaller tractor or get a bigger truck just to be safe. Just my two cents worth :o)

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Bill C

03-08-2001 19:54:39




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 Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 13:22:53  
Hi Kenny, A good friend of mine has a 98',1/2 ton,4wd.,ex. cab Chevy with a Vortec 350 and a 3.73 rear end.He pulls a 11,500lb camper with it(I know that sounds crazy,but,he showed me the scale ticket after he got it weighed).He has brakes on both axles of the camper,and he uses a weight distributing hitch-it slides in the Reese hitch, and,on the tounge of the camper,attached to brackets,are chains,you adjust the chains up,or,down,and it puts more weight onto the rear axle of the trailer,and off the rear end of the truck-using this setup the truck,and the camper ride level.Just remember,with pulling that kind of weight,no matter what kind,or,size of truck you have,accleration will take longer,and so will braking.So you MUST drive with that in mind,be CAREFUL and CAUTIOUS. By the way,I think the 5300 engine has a little more HP than the Vortec 350,so that shouldn't be a problem.

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andy

03-08-2001 16:39:19




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 Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 13:22:53  
You are right in thinking that an M or H would be a load for a 1/2 pickup with a bumper hitch trailer. You have to be a skillful driver and understand the limitations of your pickup. More than power or speed is the ability to stop and handle the load at highway speeds. Of course trailer brakes help. I have hauled all of my tractors including a super M with my 1/2 ton GMC pickup with a 305 fuel injected engine. I have a 16 foot tandem axle utility trailer. It is just not the best. Again you have enough power to go anywhere .... but can you stop and carry the load safely. A 3/4 ton with a gooseneck would be much better. If I was traveling ALL over the state that is what I would have.

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Kenny Christopherson

03-08-2001 17:04:52




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 Re: Re: H or M? in reply to andy, 03-08-2001 16:39:19  
I wouldn't be traveling all over the state, probably just to 2 shows- Rollag, MN and Dalton, MN.... They are only about 80 miles apart... We also have a GMC 1/2 ton. Ours is a 2000. It has a Vortec 5300, and a 3.73 Ratio axle... Would a goosneck hitch work good on our 1/2T? Anyone have any experience with the ones that you can put in your bed upside down for storage, there is a website that I was looking at, it has a 30000# GVW... but my truck should not exceed 7500# it says in the manual.. Thanks again

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why not get a smaller tractor

03-08-2001 18:28:30




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 Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 17:04:52  
if it's just for show go with an A or B most shows around here are full of Hs & Ms then you wouldn't have to worry about weight. To be safe
you need a 3/4 ton for the H's you can pull a lot with a 1/2 but its hard to stop something that weighs more thatn the truck. good luck jeff



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Kenny- A loader question

03-08-2001 18:37:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to why not get a smaller tractor , 03-08-2001 18:28:30  
I know my truck can haul an H... I already Have a C.. I want a bigger tractor.... Something that has the power to pull a UPS truck out of the ditch. My C is strong.. But if I get an H, I plan on putting a Loader on it... A farmhand... Maybe a Farmhand F-11... If this loader is too big for thjis tractor, tell me... What is a smaller but look alike loader to the F-11 if it is too big. I have an F-11 on my M... But want one on an H for show- M is for work, show is for play.

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Iowa Farmer

03-08-2001 15:31:06




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 Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 13:22:53  
I have a Super M and now a 450 diesel. Our '89 GMC HD 3/4 ton with a 350, no overdrive, turbo 400 trans and 4:10 rearend pulled our 10,000# trailer with that 450 all the way from Kansas at 85 all the way home. But I dont know what your pickup has for a rearend, So I cant say if your truck would cut it or not. H would definenty be easier. A gooseneck doesn't make it easier to haul, it just transfers weight and are easier to back up than a bumper hitch.

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Kenny C

03-08-2001 17:10:33




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 Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Iowa Farmer, 03-08-2001 15:31:06  
It is a 2000 GMC 1/2 Ton.. with the Z-71, and it has a vortec 5300 V-8. Axle ratio is 3.73... A class IV hitch is what is on there now. It says 5000# tongue wieght I think. I have to look at it.I know it should be loaded 60/40. Does anyone have any trouble with getting a H on a trailer with a stuck motor... Would you reccomend freeing it and trying to get it started before I moved it onto a trailer? I am trying to find a cheap H. I could have gotten a running one with a loader for 650$... But didn't buy it, nothing to haul it with when that deal came...
Thanks again

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haas

03-09-2001 05:59:13




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 Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny C, 03-08-2001 17:10:33  
If you are going to haul with a trailer that is lowboy style and the tractor wheels must go between the trailer wheels and fenders, then you can't haul an M unless the wheels are turned in. It's not typical to find Ms with wheels turned in. An H is narrower, but still may not fit, depending on the trailer you have. So...check the out to out of the rear wheels of the tractor before you go a long way to get it. Also hauling heavy tractors with a trailer hitch, you should get an equalizer hitch for your truck. This goes in the hitch receiver and has bars to transfer weight and level the trailer and truck. It will increase the weight you can pull up to 10,000 lbs and the tongue weight up to 1,000. Also for that heavy a weight you need a transmission cooler and an engine oil cooler.

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Bob M

03-08-2001 17:30:24




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 Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny C, 03-08-2001 17:10:33  
Kenny - With a rachet/cable come-a-long and some chains you can winch an H (or an M) with a stuck motor onto a trailer without much difficulty. (And you'll get a good upper body workout at the same time!) Even saw it done once with a tractor with a locked transmission by sliding the rear tires.

Regarding tractor weights, I own both an H and an M (Supers) with loaded tires and no other weights. They run 4,800 and 6,700 lb respectively.

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Kenny

03-08-2001 17:44:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Bob M, 03-08-2001 17:30:24  
Hey Bob... Do you live in MN? If you do do you ever go to the Western Minnesota Steam Threshers Reunion? It is in Rollag, MN...



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Bob M

03-08-2001 18:47:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny, 03-08-2001 17:44:08  
Kenny - I'm about 900 miles from Rollag here in upstate NY - a bit too far for me to visit! We however have a couple of large shows nearby every summer: The Canadaigua 'Pageant of Steam' and the Western NY Gas and Steam show in Alexander. I take my tractors to our own smaller show (110 tractors last year) in Churchville every August. It's close enough I can drive my stuff there, since with kids in college I cannot yet afford a truck/trailer. Lotsa fun!

You a snowboarder by any chance?? ...Bob M

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Kenny C

03-08-2001 18:52:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Bob M, 03-08-2001 18:47:20  
Yes, I do love to snowboard, I will send a picture of me snowboarding. I also like to snowmobile. There is one show that I can drive my tractors to, but it is 10 miles from where they are... It's a long ride!



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Bob M

03-09-2001 04:54:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny C, 03-08-2001 18:52:44  
Kenny - Same for me - the Churcville show is about 12 miles distant. I rather enjoy running my tractors over there and back every August. Link below has some photos from last year's show...

BTW I've yet to attempt snowboarding, but I'm an avid skier - both alpine and XC.

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The Red

03-08-2001 13:31:05




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 Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny Christopherson, 03-08-2001 13:22:53  
Kenny an H will way roughly 4,000 pounds. 4,500 pounds with the loader. An M will weigh near 5,000 pounds and 5,500 with the loader. Both are the same to work on. One is not really more difficult than the other. I would assess your needs and fit the tractor to your needs.



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Kenny

03-08-2001 14:26:48




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 Re: Re: H or M? in reply to The Red, 03-08-2001 13:31:05  
I already have an M for work with a Farmhand... But I would like to get another H or M for show... I would like a loader becuase my uncle uses the M and seems to have "lost the key".. Or so he says... It is key start.. But I kinda like the way they look with a loader.. Especially the Farmhand F-11... Can lift a nice load. Just dont think my 1/2T can handle hauling a M with a loader all around the state. I have heard that the M wieghs 7500#... and thats a ton more than what you said.. with the loader. I am VERY confused Red!!!

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S-E Michigan Part Timer

03-08-2001 19:55:48




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 Re: Re: Re: H or M? in reply to Kenny, 03-08-2001 14:26:48  
This is really important for Kenny with the 2000 1/2 ton and anyone else w/ half tons. Remember, they are built just that... light. If this brings it to light better, you have the same tranny as an S-10. One which we've had some problems in the recent past. As a tech at a Powertrain test facility, I know first hand what's going on with GM trannys. I know this is a kick in the pants since I also know how much this truck set you back. That's why I have an '86.. haha!

Last,DO NOT TOW IN OVERDRIVE, ever! Not even an empty trailer. In the light trans, such as those in 1/2 tons, the torque converter cycles constantly in overdrive. It's the fastest way to over heat and basicly boil your gears and clutch plates dry.

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