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gibby

02-25-2001 20:19:25




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I finally was able to hitch the old Farmall to it's 3 bottom plow today. I was able to plow fine except the tractor kept pulling to the right. The plow is turning good furrows on all three bottoms. It drives straight when not plowing. I was wondering what would be making the tractor track to the right?

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Dave




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Dirttracker

02-27-2001 20:17:17




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
Narrow front ends always pull when the right rear is down in a furrow, most of the front weight is on the right front tire, the left tire is almost off the ground or at least much lighter than the right , also make sure both rear tires have the same amount of calcium, I learn the hard way myself, the lighter tire spins much easier, kind of weird until you figure out whats causing it.



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Charlie

02-26-2001 15:53:27




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
Any chance something is bent or sprung. Tree roots have a way of doing damage to a plow. You may want to take a quick end view and see if any of the bottoms look pointed in a different direction from the rest.



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Gibby

02-26-2001 21:28:27




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 Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Charlie, 02-26-2001 15:53:27  
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I think everything looks ok, please advise.

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Dave Gibson



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S-E Michigan Part Timer

02-27-2001 12:34:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Gibby, 02-26-2001 21:28:27  
Hard to tell from the angle, but how does it line up compared to the right wheel? Looks like the wheel is out a bit on the axle, compared to my M that is. If you can, take it out to the field, drop it in and stop and take a pic when it's actually doing it. We had a few problems like that when we extended and modifed a 2 pt 3 bottom to a 3 pt 4 bottom.



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John In Iowa

02-27-2001 04:01:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Gibby, 02-26-2001 21:28:27  
I can not tell by the picture if the hitch is pined rigid. The lift arm and lateral link should be in the float position. This would make a big difference in the line of draft and that could pull you to the right.. You also look like you may need some weight on the front and rear of the tractor. The landslides looks good on the plow. Up towards the front of the plow on the hitch there should be an adjustment to bring the plow in line with the tractor.

John In Iowa

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Gibby

02-26-2001 21:25:56




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 Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Charlie, 02-26-2001 15:53:27  
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Attached is a photo. I'm not sure, but everything looks good to me. Please advise

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Dave Gibson



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Poor Farm Jim

02-26-2001 11:04:24




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
Gibby,

First, I have to say I wish I was living wherever you are, and out plowing. I still have 4 foot drifts here, and can hardly get around the yard as half of it is ice covered.

You don't have diff. lock on your tractor.

Your tractor pulling to the right has nothing to do with the furrow wheel getting more traction, that would pull you to the left. Think about it, if you could somehow cut the power to the left wheel what direction would it tend to go? The right one would push the tractor to the left. The point about adding weight or more weight to the left wheel is well taken, esp. if you are pulling 3 bottoms with a 300, you'll need all the help you can get.

If all else fails - read the book. I'm sure it will start by telling you to set the right rear tire so the inside is 28-30 inches from the centerline of the tractor, depending on size of plow. After that follow the directions, it will tell how to correct the PLOW adjustment for pulling one way or another. I had two neighbors who were IH men. One guy and his son got one of the then new semi-mount plows and started plowing without doing any adjustments, just the way it came. They complained to the other neighbor about what a pile of junk it was and that they should never have bought this new fangled contraption. He told them to read the book and do what it said. They half heartedly made a couple changes and it plowed a little better. He was able to talk the son into bringing the tractor and plow over with the owners manual. They went step by step and did everything it said. It plowed like a dream, furrows looked like those in the ads. The old man bragged it up to anyone who would listen.

Jim

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Gibby

02-26-2001 11:18:18




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 Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Poor Farm Jim, 02-26-2001 11:04:24  
I live in central Ohio and it was 57 degrees and pure sun shine. Some parts of my fields were dry enough and I was itchen to try the old girl out. When you say manual, it's the plow manual right? I still have not recieved my manuals for the tractor. Next question is how do I dentify a really rusted three bottom plow - It IH - Fasthitch - but that's all I know.. It does have shiney molds now.

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Dave

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Poor Farm Jim

02-26-2001 12:45:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Gibby, 02-26-2001 11:18:18  
Dave,

Wish I was out "shining my moldboards". It's 27 here now, clouded over, almost foggy with a raw N.W. wind.

Yes I mean plow manual. But you didn't tell us whether you have a full mount or semi mount plow. Most of the mounted plows have a landing lever or an adjustment that does the same thing. I'm talking plows in general, not necessarily IH; I honestly can't remember what they have for adjustment, and I just saw one sell a week ago. If it's a semi mount it would probably be one of two series IH made. The 540-550-560 was much more refined. I can't think what the earlier semi mounts were, was it a 510 series? Guys on this Board knowing a lot more than me will know.

Jim

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Gibby

02-26-2001 12:56:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Poor Farm Jim, 02-26-2001 12:45:53  
It is a full mount config. I will try to link a picture so I can better describe what I am up against.

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Dave



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Lee K.

02-26-2001 09:27:41




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
I haven't driven an IH tractor that doesn't do that. It ussually happens when you hit a hard spot. Lot's of tractor do this, esppecially those with bull pinion final drives. It just your power side of the tractor. It always seens like one wheel gets more toruque than the other. I don't know if your hitch has to do with it as much as the tractor itself. Our 1066 always pulls to the left on our pull type chisel plow.

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Gibby

02-26-2001 06:17:38




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
After reading all the reply's, it appears that I left out one critical piece of info. The plow is fast hitch attached. I did notice the wheel slippage on the left side, it seemed to help if I adjusted the right side depth control on the hitch. I got it to where I could go fairly straight. Also noticed that faster plowing would help. But I reallywanted to go slow and deeper. An additional issue maybe on my Farmall 300, I do not have a lock for my differential like the Massey I had previously, and my wifes toy - JD. Is there a setting to automatically lock the differential? I have a operators manunal, but I'm still waiting for my other manuals to arrive.

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Dave

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Denny Frisk

02-27-2001 08:55:05




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 Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Gibby, 02-26-2001 06:17:38  
IH didn't do diff. locks until about the XX66 series. Deere did them on 30/4020's but not 30/4010's. There's other solutions to your problems. I'd play with rear wheel spacing, or add a little weight to the wheel thats slipping. I've only seen a couple places where a diff lock would really have been nice, and for the most part Plowing wasn't one of them. Except for a couple times fall plowing in alfalfa sod during a dry August. Couldn't get land wheel to hook up. Then there was the time I was plowing under about 3 inches of frost.

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haas

02-26-2001 06:25:26




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 Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Gibby, 02-26-2001 06:17:38  
Well, I think the remedy is the same for the fast hitch. Adjust the plow to the left and move the right wheel in to compensate.



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Haas

02-26-2001 05:57:19




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
If you have a trailing type plow, it sounds to me like you need to move the hitch point to the left and then adjust the right wheel in to compensate for the plow running farther to the left.



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latta

02-26-2001 04:12:24




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
Check your operators manual. My JD A manual has a page devoted just on how to set your hitch for plowing.



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gene b

02-26-2001 02:23:42




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
like the guy says centerline and hooking on the right place on the drawbar is the whole thing the narrow front has nothing to do with it plowed many years with an M and 3-14 trip pulled harrow behind plow had straight flat land and contour plowing helps to hook on the drawbar direct helps traction dont need fluid just hook correct



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andy

02-25-2001 23:00:31




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
Gibby . . . most pull plows have many adjustment holes in the components that make up the hitch of the plow. These holes allow you set the "center of draft" with your tractor. Being able to adjust the plow allows the tractor hitch to be in the straight position. It allows you to compensate for different left and right wheel spacings from the centerline of the tractor. Moving the rear wheels differently and adjusting the hitch allows the first moldboard to take no less or no more of the proper bite that it should. Basically by adjusting the plow right you won't have to fight the tractor so much if any to keep it going straight. Having the tractor fight the plow takes away power, let alone the additional fight the operator has. I have some old books with sections on adjusting plow hitches using the centerline of draft. When tractor plowing was in its hayday, adjusting plows was a big topic with ag engineers at Agricultural Universities. If you want more info. write back again and maybe we could get together somehow so I could send you copies.

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Vern

02-25-2001 22:00:44




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
If you are using a row-crop tractor the right front tire is carrying more weight than the left.



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Lyle

02-25-2001 20:25:51




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 Re: Question on plowing. in reply to gibby, 02-25-2001 20:19:25  
Gibby, I presume you have a trailer plow. You may try and let your swinging drawbar swing free. that way when the right tire in is the furrow it will pull from the right side of the drawbar and should not make your tractor pull to the right. I hope this helps.



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Dick Davis

02-26-2001 04:20:46




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 Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Lyle, 02-25-2001 20:25:51  
The front end doesn't matter as much as the back. The rear Furrow Wheel has more weight (it is lower so there is a slight shift of the center of gravity to the right), AND it has better traction (it is running-with full rubber to dirt contact-on smooth damp freshly turned soil- while the Land Wheel is on grass,stubble,bumpy clods with the outside edge not even touching!) To compensate add more weight to the land side only. My Dad always ran one or two extra weights on the left wheel while plowing. When I only had one set of weights I would put them both on the left wheel. To verify this theroy before you change anything go back and plow and watch the rear wheels very carefully you will most likely be able to see the slippage. Let us know what you find out. D-2
Isn't plowing satisfying?

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S-E Michigan Part Timer

02-26-2001 14:36:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Question on plowing. in reply to Dick Davis, 02-26-2001 04:20:46  
Just curious.. The plow wouldn't happen to be missing or have a badly worn landslide, would it?



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