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Earliest surviving IH tractor

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Charlie

02-16-2001 06:00:28




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A while back I was looking at some of the other tractor forums and after checking out the green world I started thinking about a JD show I attended a couple of years ago. When a show like that is that close by, I can't resist going no matter what color the tractors may be. The star attraction at that show was the 18th JD ever built. According to the story the owner had bought it several years before from a junkyard or similar place for $1000. It was completely restored and susposedly worth a million dollars today. Now I wondering if anyone knows what the earliest surviving IH tractor may be, where its at and what is it worth.

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Guy Fay

02-16-2001 16:08:01




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 Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Charlie, 02-16-2001 06:00:28  
The State Historical Society of Wisconsin owns a McCormick Automower. It's the single cylinder version, probably built in late 1899 or early 1900 for display at the World's Fair in Paris. Kinda like a concept car at a big car show. There may be a Deering Automower slightly older somewhere in the Paris, France area, but we've never gotten any confirmation.

The Tractor owned by Case Corporation is either the sixth or seventh tractor IH built. It's a friction drive built in 1906. There may be another friction drive still in existence that is still older.

As for specific models of tractors, there are two preproduction 1923 Farmall regulars in existence. Case Corporation also owns QC-503, the first Farmall tractor ever delivered to a customer. QC-506 is also in existence, I think in a museum down south.

WD-40 #501, the first Diesel wheel tractor produced in the U.S. (its technically a pre-production tractor) does exist, about all I know. Many other IH firsts and preproduction tractors are also known to exist.

My opinion is the Dain is a JD, and is a preproduction run, not an actual production tractor. Technically, every 1924 Farmall is also a preproduction tractor as well, including QC-503.

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Lee K.

02-16-2001 15:56:07




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 Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Charlie, 02-16-2001 06:00:28  
Seen an early John Deere at Farmfest a couple of years ago. It was all wheel drive, and instead of having two rear tirse, it had a steam roller type of wheel in the back. Couldn't tell you what model or year it was, but it predated to Waterloo Boy for sure.



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That JD is A fake

02-16-2001 09:16:07




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 Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Charlie, 02-16-2001 06:00:28  
The JD (Dain) you are talking about is a fake. It is a Dain tractor that has been painted JD green. The guy that owns it has spent a lot of time making up the story about it being the first JD. He thinks the impostor is worth $1,000,000. No one can prove that the tractor is what he says it is. One million for a good paint job and a bunch of lies? Sound like a true JD collector to me.



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Charlie

02-16-2001 12:34:03




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 Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to That JD is A fake, 02-16-2001 09:16:07  
I had the impression the tractor I saw was built after JD bought the Waterloo plant. Anyway if some of the things being said is true it may explain why no one was alowed to get a close up look at it. It was roped off and you couldn't even take a picture of it.



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JD70Jim

02-16-2001 10:43:59




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 Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to That JD is A fake, 02-16-2001 09:16:07  
The "Dain" tractors were a 1914-18 effort by JD to get into the tractor business. A man named Joseph Dain, who by the way founded the company which is now JOHN DEERE OTTUMWA WORKS, was a VP for Deere. He was ordered to develope a suitable tractor to compete with IHC. They were built by John Deere and around 100 were made. They were AWD and had a 4 cyl MacVicker engine. They were real John Deeres, were judged too expensive to build, and were dropped in 1918 when the Waterloo Boy factory was purchased. It would be extremely difficult to build one today from scratch. The one you call fake isn't. Sorry.

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joe

02-16-2001 19:27:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to JD70Jim, 02-16-2001 10:43:59  
deere was already in the tractor business before 1914 selling the Big Four and claiming it was their tractor pulling their plow in a sales brochure. nobody claims that this is the first jd. i believe the d was the first tractor produced by jd. is there any jd part numbers on the dain, like there is for the prototype d's. these tractors were built for jd not by jd. just because the deere name is on the serial # tag doesn't mean deere built it. is there any company documents that say they were producing a tractor (the dain) like there is for the model d.

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burns

02-16-2001 09:36:58




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 Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to That JD is A fake, 02-16-2001 09:16:07  
Not a John Deere collector but a true crook.



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sammy the RED

02-16-2001 08:50:07




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 Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Charlie, 02-16-2001 06:00:28  
I have seen that JD at shows in Mich. and Ind.



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Glenn

02-16-2001 07:59:04




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 Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Charlie, 02-16-2001 06:00:28  
It's my understanding that Case-IH owns the sixth or seventh tractor that IH built. The State Historical Society of Wisconsin owns a McCormick Auto Mower, which predates IH entirely. I'm not sure on the details of either one; Guy Fay knows more about both.



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39H

02-16-2001 07:16:57




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 Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Charlie, 02-16-2001 06:00:28  
Don't know about the IHC, but that $1,000,000 JD was on Ebay last fall with a $600,000 minimum and they didn't get one bid. Guess know one wanted to make an instant $400,000 eh? There is an ongoing arguement about legitimacy of that JD from what I have read on their boards.



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John

02-16-2001 08:11:56




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 Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to 39H, 02-16-2001 07:16:57  
What we do know is that the one million dollar John Deere is not worth $600,000!



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Bill B

02-16-2001 11:46:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to John, 02-16-2001 08:11:56  
third party image

My father used to say, "nothing is worth nothing until the money changes hands". I could put a price of $10,000 on my F12 with the jeep motor, but that dont mean its worth that.



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Red Dave

02-16-2001 07:55:49




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 Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to 39H, 02-16-2001 07:16:57  
I have heard stories that Case/IH has one of the original Farmalls stashed away some place, along with some other notable and historic tractors. No idea if any of those stories are true. Maybe somebody like Guy Fay or Ken Updike could verify or debunk the stories. I too saw a so-called rare/valuable early John Deere on ebay last year. I don't remember the specific numbers, but it could have been that one. Supposedly it had been displayed at the Smithsonian or something like that (it looked like just another john deere to me). I love these old Farmall tractors, but I haven't seen or heard of any yet that I would pay a million dollars for, even if I had the money.

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Kenny Christopherson-some info

02-16-2001 14:29:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Earliest surviving IH tractor in reply to Red Dave, 02-16-2001 07:55:49  
There is a John Deere that is in one of my books- it is called "The American Farm Tractor" which is by Randy Leffingwell. Ther is a JD GP, 23 tricycles were built, in which only 2 are known to exist.. It has a narrow front, and steel wheels. A lot of people have the GP WT, which is obviously the wide tread model. If you haven't heard of it, well now you have..



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