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Just need to say some things

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Bill C

02-14-2001 20:37:50

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I have been asking some questions about Cubs as I am needing a small tractor for mowing and gardening/light duty work. I am asking these questions so I can make a wise purchase, and not buy something that either won't do what I need it to, or not be big enough.I ALREADY HAVE AN H,and don't want to modify it because I am going to restore it in summer 2001.I appreciate all the responses that answer the questions I posted, however, it kind of burns me when people respond with criticizing comments, *get an H* *don't make it something it's not* *it's beyond me why* etc. This board is to help people, not judge them,or crack on the questions they ask. People want to know if things, or ideas will work,or cause more problems. Let's try to help them out ,and not send them judgemental responses!

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02-15-2001 14:46:13

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
I have read all the comments on this thread and agree with everything. I have a '50 Super AV, orginal condition, stuck engine, basicly a worn out 50 year old tractor. However, I breaking it down to the last bolt and will completely rebuild her to show condition. I have never done anything like this,(I even hate to change the oil in the cars) but I'm really enjoying the challenge. Sure I will cost me a small fortune, but as one of you guys said "it keeps me out of the bars" not that I had that problem before. Some of you may ask "Why?" Well, the tractor did belong to my grandfather, who is now dead. It was given to me by my uncle, another good point. But most of all these tractors deserve a place of pride and honor. Restoring them just makes sense.
Most of the time I work on her I don't know what I'm doing, but I ask questions here (ytmag) and co-workers who have restored cars, trucks, and tractors before. Whenever I have a asked a question on ytmag I always got good and honest answers, maybe not what I wanted to hear, but a lot of help anyway. On this chat board I have met a lot of good natured, and very helpful people, some very close to where I live. Keep those answers coming! If the one asking doesn't find the information usefull, someone else always will.

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Dave Gibson

02-15-2001 15:53:44

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 Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to RedBug, 02-15-2001 14:46:13  
Here - Here, excellent post... I second your comments.

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Dave Gibson

02-15-2001 11:31:04

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
Guy's Let me throw my two cents worth in here. As a Greenhorn to Farm Machinery and farming in general, I am completely dependant on the information I readily receive from this chat line. If I'm make a bone head decision, I appreciate someone giving me their opinion. I foolishly ignored some "free" advise and I now own two tractors - 1 That I thought was good enough and 2 the one I was recommended to buy. Granted I can always sell tractor # 1, but it would have been much smarter to listen in the first place. To those of you that take the time to give me your free advice and life experiences - Thank You and keep it coming.

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02-15-2001 09:38:21

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
OK Bill C here goes. If I offended you in any way
I'm sorry. But I stand behind my comments.
I'm in my late fiftys and been there.
I own a Cub, H, & SMTA. I run about a 15 A.
truck garden in my spare time. What ever I do
with the Cub I can do better or faster with either one of the other two. I only use the Cub
anymore for cultivating. I've had it hooked to plow, disk. front blade & belly mower. Plow &
disk, forget it. If your mowing a lawn, fine. If
your going to mow weeds, forget it.Thats why I have a brush hog. Bill C, you already have an H. Implements for
H will cost less than for Cub. Bill C, its your choice.Have at it. Its also my personal opinion. I may be wrong. Take care.

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Bama Red

02-15-2001 09:09:53

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
Bill C -
I'm just starting this tractor business (hopefully will acquire a 1941 M on Saturday) and I have found that the folks on this board go out of their way to be helpful no matter what your level of expertise. I intend to get quite a bit of knowledge about my "new" tractor from these folks and I want to know if I'm about to make an expensive mistake or do something which might endanger me or someone else. As others have said - I'll take all the advice and sort it out for myself and not worry about my feelings. I know no one is trying to hurt anyone else's feelings on this board - just keep old Farmalls running safely. My 2 cents.

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02-15-2001 08:57:14

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
I read this forum quite a bit. Overall the answers are very civil, almost too kind in many cases. There are guys here who seem very knowledgeable. It seems that in many cases guys hold back a lot (too much) in expressing their true opinions or offering their advice if you will. Myself, I want to hear all the opinions that are out there. I would rather take the heat now and choose my path forward knowing I've heard from a broad range of people. I'm going to do what I want, anyway. This tractor business is no different than anything else.
It's human nature that if you ask a person a question he's probably going to get around to expressing an opinion at some point in the conversation, sooner if not later on any subject.
The path forward is not going to be crystal clear in nearly all cases. So give me answers and opinions and I'll sort it all out.

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02-15-2001 08:53:24

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
I am sorry if anything I said was perceived as an insult, I meant to only answer your question with the knowledge that I possess. I feel that I was fair and am frankly confused at to where the feelings got hurt. I can see your point about the one comment on buying an H, but even that point has some merits.

This is a great site, and I don't get to come here too often anymore but when I do I try to learn alittle and help alittle. Please relax and roll with the flow.

I have grown up sitting on two diiferent cub and a Super A. I feel I have a good idea on their limitations. I just don't want to see someone with an attachment that is too heavy and will destroy a great Cub or even worse hurt a person. IT is not worth the challenge.....

Take Care.

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02-15-2001 08:04:57

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
The great thing about advice is We don't have to follow it. And opinions, everyone has one, Please keep expressing them.I didn't think such a group of helpful, knowledgeable, great people even existed until I got hooked on Farmalls Of course I work for the US Postal Service. Nuff said.

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Paul Ramsey

02-15-2001 07:25:19

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
Bill, I couldn't agree more - and I had exactly the same thought two days ago but didn't go ahead and put it out on this board. I think the problem here is that many people confuse giving advice with answering a question. Both are trying to help, but one may be appreciated and the other may not be. I think that one of the ways we can avoid misunderstandings is to specify that we are asking a question here as opposed to looking for advice. I personally value both, but am usually looking for the answer to a question rather than looking for advice. Maybe I'm just dumb, but sometimes I'd rather spend money and time on a project (read crazy idea) than go out and buy another tractor. Hey, I saw where a fella out there is building a two seat, tricycle gear Cub! I know that's got to cost a lot (both in time and money) and could never be "justified", but it's his baby, and I'm sure he is proud of his work. Let's all try to answer questions first, and offer opinions only where solicited in the future. As a well know comic says: "that's just my opinion - I could be wrong"!

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George Willer

02-15-2001 12:11:14

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 Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Paul Ramsey, 02-15-2001 07:25:19  

I'm the guy with the tricycle Cub. It is, of course, not offered as an example to follow, but also not intended to be a money pit. The time required will keep me off golf courses and out of bars. Many will think it is a completely nutty idea and they may be right. The following is a letter I sent to another group early in the project soliciting opinions. I have received a LOT of good feedback. Maybe it would be instructive for Bill C.
I have been jabbering about a lot of off topic stuff lately, but this really
is tractor related. I have taken the first few faltering steps on the
project I expect to take to Portland next year. This will be a !@#$% Cub,
modified to resemble a miniature Farmall B. It will be built from spare
parts. I expect to add a second platform and seat on the left side, so it
can be a proper 2 place butt buggy. So many have documented their projects
that I thought I would too. I find all of them interesting.

I have sent the engine out to have the hard valve seats installed, so while
I'm waiting for it I have been working on the front end. The front end is
far enough along that I'm convinced it will work. I have started an album
on Photopoint at;

If anyone cares to look, I'd appreciate feedback. To make it easier, I have
provided a ballot to punch.

...1. Have you completely lost your mind?

...2. You have too much free time on your hands.

...3. It will look better if you paint it green and yellow.

...4. Why?

...5. I H C should have done this in the first place.

...6 What will this goofy thing be good for?

...7 What a waste of good tractor parts.

...8 Now we're getting someplace!

...9 Attaboy!

...10 None of the above.

If I follow through on my intentions, I expect to add regular updates,
depending on feedback.

George Willer

`Whoever wrote the Ten Commandments made 'em short.
They may not always be kept but they can be understood.' "Will Rogers"

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02-15-2001 17:03:54

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 Re: Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to George Willer, 02-15-2001 12:11:14  
Hey Goerge, sounds like a neat idea, kinda glad IH did not make it so that you can have a unique machine. I have contiplated rotating the gear housings on a A to make a Lo Boy A! Proablem is I have to save up just to fix the clutch on my 460. I feel as long as the machine can be returned to origanl, others don't have much room to complain, if they don't like it they don't have to build one!
Good luck!

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02-15-2001 21:02:13

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to kev@IA, 02-15-2001 17:03:54  
I have always thought it would be neat to rotate the Cub drop housings 180 (or more likely 144) degrees to achieve a low lo-boy effect. The front axel would have to be kneeless. The other alternative with the rotated housings would be to fit some 20 x 38 rear rubber and leave the front axel stock. Have we given you enough ideas George? You probably have plenty of your own.

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Bama Binder

02-15-2001 14:23:58

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 Re: Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to George Willer, 02-15-2001 12:11:14  
This kind of bring this whole discussion full cycle...We are here to have fun. I like your idea because as a father of young children, it would be nice to give them a ride...and there ain't no safe place to do it on any antique tractors.

If I had the time and could hide enough money from my wife, the sky would be the limits as to what I would try and I'm sure some of ideas are really nutty. But if it is fun to me and I can afford it, then all the better.

Ya'll have fun and be safe...And Bill C...I hope you post ALL of your questions..as always there will be guys lined up to answer them...BB

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02-15-2001 12:59:42

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 Re: Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to George Willer, 02-15-2001 12:11:14  
George, Great post. Do hanging chads count? Can we punch more than one?

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02-15-2001 05:59:27

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
I haven't followed your story with the Cub but I read many of the posts in this forum and I can't say I see much where people aren't making an honest effort to help. If you want to see back stabing and rude people, check out the tractor pulling forum.

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02-15-2001 05:17:37

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
Bill I don't think anybody was the least bit out of line. They were only giving what they thought was the best info. These guys answer a lot of questions for nothing and I think they handle themselves very well. I certainly enjoy learning from them. Don't be too sensitive I don't think there is a mean one in the bunch. Good luck.

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Bama Binder

02-15-2001 04:47:37

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
Bill...I went back and read the posts to your Cub questions. I may be a looking at things from the wrong perspective, but I don't see any comments that I thought were "criticizing". And I was the one who said "don't try to make it something it isn't."

I have a Cub and a Super H, so I know a little about both of them. The Cub is a great tractor and I love mine. But it has its limits as several others have pointed out. One of the questions you asked essentially amounted to "should I make $1500 worth of modifications to a $1500 tractor to end up with something a $2000 tractor can do?" I think everyone WAS trying to look out for you.

I'm sorry we hurt your feelings...but believe me that was never my intention...BB

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Dick Davis

02-15-2001 03:25:49

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 Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Bill C, 02-14-2001 20:37:50  
The trouble with advice is sometimes the asker doesn't want it! Lots of questions ask on these pages are from folks who have very little knowledge on the subject. If they are attempting to learn - great, but if they only want someone to validate their bad idea they might get their feelings hurt. "Don't make something it's not" is an excellent answer to lots of questions! And poking fun - and that is just what it is - is a kind way of telling someone they are wrong.

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Dave G

02-15-2001 04:31:15

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 Re: Re: Just need to say some things in reply to Dick Davis, 02-15-2001 03:25:49  
I agree. We should all respect each other, but sometimes the best communication is telling it like it is - some people are experts at doing the opposite. The last thing I want is sugarcoated answers that lead you down the wrong path. There are a lot of people with a lot of different background/cultures. Everybody is a little different in the way they communicate.

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