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under carriage percentage

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MrBill

03-23-2004 13:12:32




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Crawlers refer to a percentage of wear either left or the amount of wear on the under carriage. 75% under carriage, or 90% under carriage, or 50%, etc. How do they come up with these numbers and what does it refer to? I have a JD 350b. What percent under carriage would I say when I am ready to sell it? MrBill




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MrBill

03-24-2004 07:51:32




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 Re: Re: under carriage percentage in reply to Sean, 03-23-2004 16:48:22  
Sean,
Thanks for the link. I printed off the pitch table for my jd 350b.

Now my next question:
The table referenced "The 75% wear is recommendation for pin and bush turn"

What is meant by pin/bush turn? Are they turned 180 degrees? Or are they removed and machined? I don't know what they mean. Also, is this something I could do myself? Thanks, MrBill



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Sean

03-24-2004 08:55:04




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 Re: Re: Re: under carriage percentage in reply to MrBill, 03-24-2004 07:51:32  
MrBill, No problem, glad to help if I can. I'm trying to learn about all this crawler stuff myself as well.

The pins connect the chain links together. They also mesh with the sprocket and transmit the power to the track. The bushings are inside the pins and allow the links to freely pivot so the chain can flex around the sprocket and idlers.

Once the pins and bushings are worn to the 25% wear limit (or 75% of their useful wear has been consumed), then they should either be replaced or "turned". The process of turning involves removing the tracks, and then all of the pins in each link on the track are pressed out using a powerful hydraulic ram fixture. Then they are rotated 180 deg and pressed back in. What this does is rotate the less worn side of the pins/bushing to the primary wear side...which will shorten your track and allow you to get more use out of your pins/bushings.

From what I've heard though, turning pins and bushings isn't always such a hot idea, especially for small-midsize loaders. Something to the extent that you really don't get much additional wear out of the turned pins bushings. Or in other words the turned pins and bushings don't really buy you another 100% wear cycle. Usually it is advised to simply replace the pins and bushings altogether with new ones while you're paying for the pin press labor. However, on the big dozers, turning pins and bushes is definitely worth it.

It can be expensive to have a dealer show up and remove your tracks (or tow away your whole machine), take your tracks to their shop, turn the pins/bushings, and then return and reinstall. It can easily go over $1000 for this procedure (from what I've heard anyway)...but some people remove and install their own tracks and know someone locally that has a pin press who might only charge them ~$500. I've never removed my tracks, but from what I understand it's something a shadetree mechanic can probably do. You need a 15lb sledgehammer, a drift, a VERY trusting friend, an oxy/acetylene torch with a rosebud tip, and a bucket of ice water (for when you reinstall). If you're mechanically inclined and have access to a machine shop, you might actually build your own pin press (like a guy I see on the RedPower forum). But this can be an extremely dangerous process for an amateur, it takes serious force to remove those pins, and if something snapped or went wrong, it WOULD be lethal.

Another option is to simply replace your chains altogether. I've heard that a set of new chains for smaller crawlers can be had for ~$2000. This would give you brand new links, pins and bushings. So if your links are down quite a bit in addition to needing a pin/bush turn, this would be a good option. Of course finding a nice used set of tracks with lots of wear left (at a good price) would be even better.

Lastly, if you do go with new pins, be aware that if your sprockets are severely worn, this will cause accelerated wear on the pins and sprockets. So, replacing your sprockets is also advisable under these circumstances. (I know...$$$$!!!!)

Good luck...

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jdemaris

03-24-2004 05:28:45




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 Re: Re: under carriage percentage in reply to Sean, 03-23-2004 16:48:22  
In addition, JD 350B crawlers have floating track-frames which are prone to severe wear problems. The heavy crossbar that holds both track frames gets bad pretty fast. Then, it either has to be built back up with welding and remachining, or replaced. I've seen many that got bad, cracked, and then welded fast/rigid - which then causes more problems. The earlier 1010s and 350s were not designed that way, but later 350s were, up through the 350C series. 450 series did not float and did not have that problem.

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