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JD 350b new owner

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MrBill

12-29-2003 20:04:08




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I just bought a jd 350b crawler backhoe and it should arrive within the week. All I have seen are pictures so I hope I can still sleep at night after it arrives. Based on the valued experiece from you all, what if any, rude awakenings can be in store for me with this old machine? The s/n translates to a '72 model. I bought it off an auction site so I do not know much history about it. The machine looks as if it has come off a job site recently because there is no rust in the scoop. From what I have been told: * the pins show some wear on one side. They have never been turned. * the track pads are in good shape * it has one hydro. leak on a rear cylendar I have never owned a crawler, or even a tractor for that matter. However, I am a descent mechanic with other machines. Thanks for your input. MrBill

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SteveB

12-30-2003 18:48:48




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 Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to MrBill, 12-29-2003 20:04:08  
When it gets there you will have questions, just ask. I have a 350b dozer and a 450 loader backhoe



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MrBill

12-30-2003 19:12:28




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 Re: Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to SteveB, 12-30-2003 18:48:48  
Thanks Steve. After doing some digging, I was able to track down the previous owner and talk to him. He said he did a top-end about 6 years ago and also replaced the clutches about 6 years ago. Since then it has been a spare machine and not used much. Said it should be a good machine for me. He said I should keep an eye on the bolts from the trans and converter. They have a tendancy to work loose over a extended usage. It this a common problem with other 350b's? Also the "barrel" on the hoe needs seals. I am not sure what he is talking about but when the machine arrives on Friday I should be able to figure it out. MrBill

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jdemaris

12-31-2003 06:08:53




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 Re: Re: Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to MrBill, 12-30-2003 19:12:28  
John de Marrais here. The 350B doesn't have any converter. A hydraulic reverser (Twin Disk) was optional though, and that's probably what you have. The reverser housing is fastened to the transmission by two studs and nuts on top, and two bolts on the bottom. Besides these four fasteners, there are two dowels that keep the two housings from shucking back and forth keeps them in alignment. These machines did NOT originally have an inherent problem with coming loose. What does happen, is, the first time the machine is pulled apart for a rebuild - usually a blown reverser - the bolts don't get re-installed tight enough. I've had to pull apart new machines, and it's near impossible to get the bolts out without heating them so they'll stretch. I suspect Deere assembled them before having a frame around them. At the dealership, we tried all sorts of tools for removal, but usually wound up using the torches. In reverse, it's difficult to get them in tight enough. Again, we used box wrenchs with chains on them. So, what happens to these machines over time, is the bolts work loose, and the counterbore for the two locating dowels get egg shaped. Once that happens, the transmission does not stay in proper alignment with the reverser, and the splined coupler gets ruined - sometimes also ruining either, or both, of the splined shafts (output from the reverser and input to the transmission). We sold 350 and 450 crawlers for industrial, farm, and forestry. When a logger used a 350 for bunching, they really took a beating. 450s held up much better. Most common failure was the reverser. I suspect if the past owner of your 350B told you it tends to come loose, then it's likely the dowels are hammered out. We had a few occasions where we removed both cases, and sent them to a machine shop to be rebored and oversize dowels installed. It cost a fortune and wasn't worth the bother. We also installed new cases and shafts and a lot of machines. At one point in time, Deere had a "case reclaiming kit" with oversize counterbore tools, dowels, etc., but don't know if such a thing still exists. I have never seen these bolts come loose on a 350 series that had not been already taken apart at least once. Problem is, when the crawler is in assembled form, there isn't room to get an adequate tool on the bolts to tighten them. As far as your backhoe goes, the "barrel" was a weak spot on John Deere hoes. Massey F., Allis, and a few other companys used them. It takes the place of having two separate swing cylinders, but it weak and tends to leak. Deere was selling kits to remove the barrel cylinder and install two conventional and separate swing cylinders. We threw a lot of barrels into the scrap heap after doing conversions. The barrels tend to get scored up and leak a lot. That, and having little swing power, Deere gave them up. I don't know if you can buy major parts for them anymore.

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teve b

01-01-2004 11:10:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to jdemaris, 12-31-2003 06:08:53  
My studs where loose also causing splined coupling to strip out as well as trans shaft. Shaft was 700$ from JD. I found an aftermarket shaft for less than 200.00. Did this about three years ago with no problems. Now I am doing the right final drive, clutches, brake ect. I am in the market for a set of tracks and sprockets, Mine are shot.



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MrBill

12-31-2003 14:56:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to jdemaris, 12-31-2003 06:08:53  
John de Marrais, That was enlightening. It sure sounds like you know what you are talking about. I will print it out for future reference. They deliver the machine Friday, so at that point I can see what I got. Thanks, MrBill



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MrBill

12-31-2003 15:09:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to MrBill, 12-31-2003 14:56:50  
John, Here is a picture of my crawler/hoe: Link



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MrBill

12-30-2003 07:07:10




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 Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to MrBill, 12-29-2003 20:04:08  
JDemaris, Thanks for the under-power warning. Most of the work I have will be for hoe work and less work with the loader. So with that, I am glad I have the crawler machine. I will keep your comments in mind. Sean, I do not have a trailer yet and just plan to keep it on my acreage for work out there. But knowing that towing is still an option is good news. And thanks for the safety warning, a seatbelt sounds like it is in the works. It does not have a cage of any kind so I will definately be careful. Thanks all, MrBill

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jdemaris

12-30-2003 06:14:46




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 Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to MrBill, 12-29-2003 20:04:08  
I assume it's a crawler-loader with the hoe, and not a dozer? I was a Deere mechanic for over half my life, mostly industrial and forestry equipment. I never quite understood what Deere engineers were thinking when they designed the 1010 crawler-loader, and it's replacement, the 350 crawler-loader. Both have, pretty much, the same drivetrain and undercarriage, but 1010 uses a 4 cylinder, whereas the 350 series uses a larger 3 cylinder. Well built machines, but both severely underpowered for front loader use. The 450, at first was also underpowered, but Deere upped it with the 450B and on (larger engine plus turbo). The 350 stayed the same until the late "C" series, and it's replacement, the 400. Then the bore and horsepower was increased. Not trying to cast too much of a cloud over your 350B; I've got a couple myself. But, if you're going to use the front loader to break a little rough ground and move dirt with a full bucket, you'll be lugging the engine most of the time and never use any gear but first. The backhoe, however, should work quite nicely. Having a hoe on a steel tracked machine makes a nice difference when compared to a rubber tired machine the same size. Mainly, it stays put, due to its weight. I have an Allis Chalmers HD4 crawler-loader, and it will dig circles around my Deere 350. It has a 200 cube engine, whereas the Deere is somewhere around 152 as I recall.

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john Tilson

12-31-2003 16:50:35




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 Re: Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to jdemaris, 12-30-2003 06:14:46  
jd450 develops very hot hydraulic fluid.very quickly. seems to be hissing though the loader bucket controls. Can anyone tell me what this might be.



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Sean

12-29-2003 20:30:38




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 Re: JD 350b new owner in reply to MrBill, 12-29-2003 20:04:08  
Bill, good luck with your new crawler. I guess you got yours off of ebay? I've seen a few of them lately with backhoes, they look like really versatile machines while still being small enough to tow (without a giant truck) and use around a tight jobsite. I just bought my first crawler too, a 12 ton International 150 tracked loader (with 4-1 bucket). I drove it around for about 5 minutes and it was a BLAST. Kind of scary, as I had never driven a crawler before, but amazing to have all that power and mass at your fingertips. I can't wait to really sink my teeth into it and learn more about it, but at the same time the whole experience is kind of overwhelming...these things are expensive to own and operate, but they can do amazing things. Plus they can be extremely dangerous, but if you respect them and use them wisely they will serve you well. Overall, I'm just psyched...hope you have good luck with your machine too. This is a good site for info, I've learned alot here. You might also want to checkout www.jdcrawlers.com they have lots of good info for your machine. Best of luck with your machine! Oh yeah one more thing, I was talking to a guy I work with today that used to be a farmer. He had a crawler way back in the day and was telling me a story about a guy that rode over a stump with a crawler...when the rear end pivoted over the stump it "slung-shot" him over the front and off the side of the machine. He was almost killed as the tractor just kept chugging along as he lay wounded on the ground dangerously close to the tracks. Moral of story, be careful what you ride over and wear a seat belt (which is something I need to add to my machine).

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