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Case 440-Not Charging

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CK from Ontario

05-05-2006 17:57:43




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I have a Case 440 that is not charging. Previously I was advised to polarize the system because it sat without a battery for some time and was not polarized when battery was installed. We had been using it while the Generator light was on, and system not polarized or charging.(I recently learned this can cause damage) I attempted to touch a wire from BAT to ARM terminals on voltage regulator with key switch on, but it failed. I polarized while it was running and the generator light turned off for a minute or two, only to turn back on. I attempted to 'motor' the generator by loosening belt and touching wire from battery to Field terminal, and it attempted to turn one time and made a few degrees of a turn. I tried to motor a few more times and it did nothing. Does this mean my generator is wrecked, or some other problem? Not sure whether the generator should spin well while motoring, or just attempt to move as it did. If the generator is ruined, is it better to rebuild or to install an alternator? Sorry about the long post, any help would be appreciated.

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CK from Ontario

05-06-2006 05:03:36




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 Re: Case 440-Not Charging in reply to CK from Ontario, 05-05-2006 17:57:43  
I was told that this machine is an A-circuit machine, so polarizing by touching ARM to BAT should be correct. I read a webpage on how to polarize, but it didn't have complete instructions. Should the tractor be running when I polarize? Is there any way of testing my generator? Can I test the voltge regulator as well?
Thanks for the help.



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souNdguy

05-06-2006 22:26:39




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 Re: Case 440-Not Charging in reply to CK from Ontario, 05-06-2006 05:03:36  
Polarize that a-circuit unit with the tractor -not- running.

An yes.. you can motor test the genny by slipping the belt off of it.. removing the f wire from it's field, and jumpering battery and armature at the regulator... not.. take a short piece of wire and ground the field.. this should make your a-circuit genny spin like a motor... most gennies that will motor, will also charge.

Yes, you can check the reg.. but it involves using a couple batteries, and a high capacity battery charger, and a vom meter.. Essentially, you hook up your vom across the tractor battery.. make not of the reading. Now, hook your battery charger up to your other battery.. set on a 10a or better setting.. but not a 'starter booster' setting. now.. use a jumper cable to ground the test battery to the tractors frame... observe same polarity as your tractor battery. now, remove the armature wire from the genny, and then touch it to the test battery's hot post while looking at your vom across the tractor battery. When you touch the armature wire to the hot post of that test battery which has a charger on it.. the genny will see that as an output of a genny, as the voltage there will be higher than the voltage of the tractor battery. I.E... the tractor battery will be setting at 12.6v.. and the voltage of the charging battery will be at about 14v.. etc. This will make the cutout relay pull in, and then the tractor battery will jump up to read the same or nearly the same as the test battery, as the battery charger will then be charging both... You should hear the vr click when the cutout pulls in, and click when you pul the armature wire off, as the cutout opens again.. you are essentially fooling the vr into thinking it is getting charge voltage from the tractor generator. The 'test' battery is only there to even out the pulsed dc voltage from the battery charger...

Soundguy

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souNdguy

05-05-2006 21:46:46




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 Re: Case 440-Not Charging in reply to CK from Ontario, 05-05-2006 17:57:43  
Well.. i think you should start by determining what circuit type generator and regulator you have.. so far you have described 2 techniques that were done.. and each was done for a different circuit type. You polarized by touching bat and arm.. that is for a-circuit gennies. Then you tried to motor by touching bat to field... that would be for b-circuit gennies.

Before you completely let all 9 the rest of? ) the smoke out of your wireing and genny and regulator.. do yourself and that poor tractor a favor and decide what circuit type of a charging system it has.. then do it right... It may end up saving you some cash, if you are lucky.

Your manual may say what circuit type it is.. if it doesn't.. look at the regulator.. look for bias resistors ont he back of it.. if it has a resistor twixt' arm and field.. it is a b-circuit unit.. if it has a resistor twixt ground and field it is an A-circuit unit. B circuit units may have more than 1 bias resistor..

Soundguy

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