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Lawton Gross

10-28-2005 08:29:04




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I have a 1950 vac with the eagle hitch,my problem is on the depth control side I have a bad leak that won't stop.I've taken it apart and the rubber seal looks good.I also am getting oil coming out the vent on the torque tube,I don't know if that has anything to do with it.Any help would be great.




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Sam#3

10-28-2005 14:37:36




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton Gross, 10-28-2005 08:29:04  
You say you took 'it'apart and the seal looked good. If 'it' is the cylinder was the rocker arm case full of oil? If it is the cylinder is leaking. The oil will fill the case and it will vent at the tube above the torgue tube. If 'it' is the control lever assembly same trouble the oil is leaking out the end of the rocker arm and right down on the depth control. The seals on the depth control can leak but not in the quanity as the cylinder. As for the controls I have attached a previous post which explains operation:

In Reply to: Case VAC Eagle Hitch posted by Tim Campbell on October 20, 2003 at 13:13:03:

Hi Tim,

There four valves in the control block:

(A) lift valve aka pressure control valve.
(B) lift check valve.
(C) release valve.
(D) relief valve.

(1) When the engine is running with lever in neutral position the pump circulates the oil in the system and back to the torque tube via (A). (B), (C) & (D) are closed. Pump press is only that required to overcome friction to oil flow through the open system (guessing less than 10 psi).

(2) Lever moved to raise position closes (A), pump press builds up overcoming spring on (B) admitting oil to piston. Pump press continues to rise to overcome weight on draft arms up to the 800-900 psi setting of (D).

(3) With draft arms lifted, lever moved to neutral, a spring opens (A), press differential and a spring close (B). (C) & (D) remain closed. System is back to (1) above with pump circulating oil. Oil on the piston is in a hydraulic lock due to closed (B), (C), & (D). Oil press on the piston will be only that generated by the weight on the draft arms.

(4) Lever moved to lower position opens (C) dumping trapped oil on the piston back to the sump and draft arms drop. (A) is still open, (B) & (D) remain closed.

The draft arms can only lift when you start the engine and the lever is in neutral position when the return to the sump is restricted or blocked. Since your draft arms will drop when the lever is moved to the lower position, that block can only be (A) stuck closed and or the spring is broken. You have probably been operating the pump at full pressure circulating oil only when the pressure opened (D) at 800-900 psi with the same constant pressure on the piston. When you put the lever in the lower position, (C) opened and the pump simply did not have enough capacity to overcome the pressure drop plus the weight of/on the draft arms.

So now that it won’t lift at all it is possible that the pump is shot (or shaft key sheared?) from running up against relief pressure nearly 100% of the time (doubtful). (D) is now leaking and/or spring is broken (maybe). (C) is now stuck open and/or spring is broken (likely). Or a combination of above.

The are many reasons for a hitch that is operating normally to stop working I.E. sump low or dry, air being sucked into the pump, depth control lever or pin broken, lash setting screw(s) loose/backed off, etc, etc, etc.

You have been operating with one problem and have now developed an additional problem. There is no doubt that your lift valve is stuck closed and/or spring is broken. It is likely now that the release valve is stuck open and/or spring is broken.

Sorry for the long post, I am just too dumb to figure out a way to shorten it and get the point across. Joe

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Lawton

10-29-2005 06:02:35




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Sam#3, 10-28-2005 14:37:36  
Yes there was oil in the case,so I guess the cylinder is leaking.What do I need to do to fix it?Do I need new rings on the piston and where do I get them?



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Joe (Wa)

10-29-2005 09:08:48




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton, 10-29-2005 06:02:35  
Generally tractors 1949-1950 have a leather cup piston. Still available from Case:

Original Case p/n VTA1582 cross-ref p/n A30798.

Later VA tractor had O-ring seals (2). Still available from Case or a hydraulic shop.

Original Case p/n V20353 cross-ref p/n A30757.

Excessive piston seal leakbye and/or plugged vent/leak-off tube will cause all the problems you have described: oil leak through right side of rock shaft housing dripping at the control valve block, force or weight required to lower draft arms, excessive oil misting from the torque tube breather.

The vent/leak-off tube get plugged by over greasing the zerks (4) on the rock shaft..

Joe

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Sam#3

10-29-2005 06:55:29




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton, 10-29-2005 06:02:35  
I meant to say 'Rock Shaft' not rocker arm.
Another senior moment.



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Sam#3

10-29-2005 06:50:00




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton, 10-29-2005 06:02:35  
The earlier models used a leather cup, later used O' rings.
Mine used the cup which I obtained from: A-1 Leather Gasket Company 2103 Brennan Circle Ft Worth, TX 817-626-9664
They will need the measurements, which I've forgotten. Cost was just under ten dollars a couple years back. The O' rings should be obtainable at good parts houses.
If you plan to do a lot of maintenance on the VAC I recommend getting a IT manual(C-16)from a farm supply and a parts catalog(RIE61) from CIH.

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Martini

10-28-2005 12:12:17




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton Gross, 10-28-2005 08:29:04  
If this tube was blocked, would the hitch be
difficult to lower?



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Lawton

10-28-2005 14:16:44




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Martini, 10-28-2005 12:12:17  
The hitch lowers down fine when there is an attachment but does not like to lower when there is no weight on it.



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Jim Yadon

10-28-2005 08:57:16




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton Gross, 10-28-2005 08:29:04  
Lawton have you checked the drain line from the base of the eagle hitch. If the drain line becomes plugged you now have a pressurized system. Since you have vents and drains this is the only assement I could come up with. An eagle hitch has have the drain line free of obstructions. I don't know if this is the correct answer your looking for but at least it eliminates one question. Good luck on you adventure

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Lawton

10-28-2005 09:03:46




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Jim Yadon, 10-28-2005 08:57:16  
Where exactly is the drain line located?



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Jim Yadon

10-28-2005 11:45:23




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Lawton, 10-28-2005 09:03:46  
Lawton there is suppose to be a 1/4"to 3/8" "street l" coming out of the front left hand corner of the eagle hitch where the piston is located, if you were looking at the tractor. That is the drain line. Which should not allow any back pressure in your torque tube. There should be a 1/4" copper line from the "street l" to approx. the center of the torque tube. Hope gets you there.



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Martini

10-28-2005 12:58:42




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 Re: case vac eagle hitch leak in reply to Jim Yadon, 10-28-2005 11:45:23  
Where would the hydraulic system be vented
other than into the torque tube?



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