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Detailed VAC 12V Conversion??

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Eric Foster

10-23-2005 07:29:48




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All,

I plan to take my 6V generator to a shop to verify, but I think I smoked my field coil(s).

Does anyone know where I can get a detailed list of what needs changed out to go 12V? I heard that some were using Delco Remy with internal regulator with success.

Please no lectures on "If you were a real man, you would know how to fix and operate your 6V system".

Thanks,
Eric




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GeoMo

10-24-2005 05:14:20




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 Re: Detailed VAC 12V Conversion?? in reply to Eric Foster, 10-23-2005 07:29:48  
I REPLACED THE IGNITION SWITCH INSTEAD OF USING DIODE. I CUT A PIECE OF TUBING TO FILL UP THE SPACE IN THE GENERATOR BRACKET, USED A THREADED ROD WITH TWO NUTS TO ATTACH ALTERNATOR. I ADDED A 1" PIECE OF BAR STOCK ABOUT 2" LONG TO GET THE TIGHTENER BRACKET TO WORK.



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John T

10-23-2005 08:05:54




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 Re: Detailed VAC 12V Conversion?? in reply to Eric Foster, 10-23-2005 07:29:48  
Eric, I appreciate your "real man" comments. I always told my family "real men" dont read directions or ask directions when lost but Ive gotten in trouble when putting together one of those packaged home entertainment centers lol. No lectures from me no worries lol.

I have cut n pasted directions for wiring up a GM 10 SI 3 wire internally regulated alternator but its not a necessity you go that route. If you are having your Generator rebuilt anyway, a shop can easily convert it to 12 volts ya know. Going the alternator route requires changing to negative ground if youre not there already.

Otherwise you need to change to a 12 volt Generator and Voltage Regulator,,,,, change any lights to 12 volts,,,,, ,,,either add an external voltage dropping (12 to 6) ballast resistor ahead of the coil if you use the old 6 volt coil or else use a full rated new 12 volt coil,,,,, ,,,you only have to change ground if using an alternator which would require swapping any ammeter leads and wire the coil correct.

Heres the alternator wiring if you need it:

If you are going to use a new "full 12 volt" rated coil, then you do not need any external ignition ballast resistor, they are only required when you use an exisitng 6 volt coil on a 12 volt tractor. CAUTION be sure that so called 12 volt coil is NOT one labeled "For use with external ballast resistor" as some are, you need a plain old full 12 volt rated unit NOTE: That 10SI Alternator is for Negative ground, are you already set up that way?? If you were at Positive ground you would have to reverse any ammeter leads (if it has one) and wire your new coil to match the Negative ground i.e. its lil + terminal receives voltage from the Ignition Switches IGN output when ON, while its other lil - terminal goes to the distributor.


DIODE QUESTION

That 10SI alternator is actually a three wire device (has big output lug on rear and 2 lil No. 1 and No. 2 terminals on side) which requires excitation voltage on No. 1 and voltage sensing on No. 2, and thats where the wiring and "Diode" you mentioned come into play so its all wired up and functioning similar to a one Wire Alternator.

The reason when a "Diode" (one way curent flow check valve) is required, is if and when you use an excitation voltage feed off the IGN swiches output terminal (feed down to coil) to excite the lil No. 1 terminal on the alternator,,,,, its possible that when you turn the ignition switch OFF, the tractor keeps running cuz the coil is backfed from the alternator. The Diode (one way curent flow check valve) prevents that. To better protect the alternators internal diodes, I also recomend a 10 ohm resistor in that excitation voltage circuit from the Ignition switch down to the lil No. 1 alternator terminal. NOTE some people dont use a diode but an ON/OFF Toggle switch to accomplish this and some people feed the excitation circuit elsewhere then the coil or ignition such as on a Diesel application.

The lil No. 2 terminal on the Alternator simply wires up to the big main output post on the alternators rear. In case the wiring description below cornfuses you, e mail me at [email protected] and I can return e mail you a wiring diagram for using a GM 10SI Alternator.

WIRING

Run a 16 Gauge or so wire from the Ignition switches IGN terminal (what feeds the coil when ON) with a series 10 ohm 5 watt resistor and a 5 amp 50 PIV Volt Diode (IT MUST be wired + anode end to switch, - cathode end to alternator) to the lil No. 1 terminal on the Alternators side. (Excitation circuit) NOTE these ratings I use are a tad bigger than actually required, but the higher rated units have bigger leads easier to wire up.

Run a 16 Gauge wire from the Alternators lil side No. 2 terminal jumped up to the big main rear output post. (Sensing circuit)

Run a 10 Gauge wire from the Alternators big output post up to the Load (NOT to battery) side of ammeter (if it has an ammeter). If theres only a 12 Gauge wire from the ammeters other Supply terminal to the battery or starter etc., I replace it with a 10 gauge.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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Eric Foster

10-23-2005 08:53:07




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 Re: Detailed VAC 12V Conversion?? in reply to John T, 10-23-2005 08:05:54  
Thanks John. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I copied, pasted, and saved in my VAC folder.

Any advice on the mounting bracket for the alternator?

What did you do as an EE before you retired?

Eric



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John T

10-23-2005 09:19:48




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 Re: Detailed VAC 12V Conversion?? in reply to Eric Foster, 10-23-2005 08:53:07  
Youre welcome, In my EE career I worked in electronics earlier but ended up designing secondary power distribution for industrial and commercial facilities, the NEC was my bible then. After an early retirement I attended law school and am now a semi retited Country Lawyer who has collected n restored John Deeres and I give tractor electrical seminars at many national John Deere shows and used to write for the Green Magazine. Kids are gone and we are empty nesters mostly.

The brackets I sort of jury rig off the old gen brackets

Take care, John T

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Eric Foster

10-23-2005 11:36:12




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 Re: Detailed VAC 12V Conversion?? in reply to John T, 10-23-2005 09:19:48  
I do a lot of installations/PM's on industrial and utility distribution equipment.

I also do some analog excitation checkouts on 800MW generators for Entergy here in Arkansas.

Good talking to you,
Eric



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