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F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey oil

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Case Kernel

10-18-2005 08:22:52




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Started the tractor today and let it idle for a few minutes and temp went up to 220 and antifreeze began boiling out the overflow pipe. What's going on? Do I need a pressure-type radiator cap? It seems that type cap would not do any good since the cap would not seat so as to control the overflow in this type radiator. The thermostat was installed right-end to, so that can't be the problem. Any ideas?

Also the thermocouple for the temp guage leaked profusely and apparently is not seating right. May be it was not centered on the hole when I tightened it. Are they that fussy--shouldn't a good one seat naturally?

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Joe (Wa)

10-18-2005 18:02:27




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 Re: F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey in reply to Case Kernel, 10-18-2005 08:22:52  
Thermostat has to be installed with the thermal element on the inlet side. For most T-stats that will be spring down as you have installed it.

The T-stat on this engine has to have a vent. If none, drill an 1/8" hole.

One of the problems with this Case engine is the pump volute is not vented. When you drain and refill the system, the water level in the pump is somewhere just above the impeller throat. Upon starting the engine the pump is initially air bound. For the pump to move sufficient water this air has to be expelled via the engine block back to the radiator. If the impeller to timing gear cover clearance is in good shape, the air will be moved out over a couple of cycles. Otherwise the pump just cavitates and you are at the mercy of convection to help move the air.

Assuming you don't have other issues as in blown head gasket, cracked head, etc you can use convection to clear an air bound pump. Start the engine and run until it is above t-stat temp, shut down and allow to cool to near ambient. You may have to do this half a dozen times or so.

You can drill and tap a vent on the right side of the pump volute (top flat on the timing cover) to overcome the poor design.

Joe

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F-I-T

10-18-2005 14:58:03




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 Re: F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey in reply to Case Kernel, 10-18-2005 08:22:52  
CK:

Boy, I don't know. You might have some air trapped, but if you said it was only idling for a few minutes then belched, it sure sounds like a head gasket, and that can explain the moisture in your oil, too.

You'll want to try drilling a small venting hole in the t-stat skirt, but after that, you might have to do a compression test, or a leak down test, or best yet, a some air pressure applied through the sparkplug opening and see if she bubbles in the radiator. That would be a dead give away for a head gasket, IMHO.

Frank

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Mathias NY

10-18-2005 12:59:44




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 Re: F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey in reply to Case Kernel, 10-18-2005 08:22:52  
I had a similar problem with my DO. I thought I had the thermostat in backwards, so I reversed it. Same problem. So I checked it in a pot of hot water and it opened just fine.

What I had been ignoring was the 50+ yrs of crud in the cooling system that was slowly working free. I had flushed the cooling system, but that was not sufficent. The gunk was getting stuck in the thermostat and preventing it from opening. I am currently running without a thermostat and looking for shutters instead.

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Case Kernel

10-18-2005 08:32:25




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 Re: F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey in reply to Case Kernel, 10-18-2005 08:22:52  
Just thinking about the thermostat installation. I put the "spring side" toward the water pump. Should it be the other way?



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Erik KY

10-18-2005 09:29:50




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 Re: F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey in reply to Case Kernel, 10-18-2005 08:32:25  
Spring side toward the engine is correct. You may have had an air bubble trapped under the thermostat. Even though the water got up to opening temp- the air trapped under the thermostat didn't so it never opened (until the steam was produced). I drilled a 1/8" hole in my SC thermostat so air and a tiny amount of water could pass through it. This idea was introduced by someone else on the forum a year or two ago and seems to work very well. Your system was not designed to be pressurized.

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Casekernel

10-18-2005 18:25:44




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 Re: F-I-T and/ or Paul F--Follow-up on thin, grey in reply to Erik KY, 10-18-2005 09:29:50  
Had a 180* thermostat around with a hole already in it and installed it today. I question whether the other one was opening--new from Napa. Put in another temp guage and all seems to now be working fine. There is some water coming out the overflow, but once it reached a certain level seemed to stop. Thanks for the heads up about the hole.



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