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Case SC 12volt conversion

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CASEY1108

09-20-2005 10:06:36




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Still working on restoring my SC. Am considering converting to a 12v system. It does not have the magneto system-was switched to generator and regulator by dealer 40 years ago or so. Is it wise to convert? What all needs to be done? As always thanks to all who respond. You have been a great help so far.




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Glwnn F.

09-20-2005 12:34:37




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 Re: Case SC 12volt conversion in reply to CASEY1108, 09-20-2005 10:06:36  
We bought our DC new in '51. The 6 volt system was never adequate in winter, and only marginally so in the summer. Glenn F.



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John T

09-20-2005 11:20:27




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 Re: Case SC 12volt conversion in reply to CASEY1108, 09-20-2005 10:06:36  
I dont like to convert unless absolutely necessary. It would involve a 12 volt battery plus converting the charging system to 12 volts,,,,, ,,either using a full 12 volt rated coil or add an external series voltage dropping (12 to 6) ballast resistor ahead of the old 6 volt coil,,,,,changing lights.

I also recommend 00 Gauge battery n starter n ground cables plus the absolute highest rated battery that will physically fit into the battery compartment on 6 volt tractors.

Post back any questions, good luck n God Bless

John T, retired electrical engineer

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RandyN

09-20-2005 11:15:11




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 Re: Case SC 12volt conversion in reply to CASEY1108, 09-20-2005 10:06:36  
Hi Casey1108,

I suppose it turns out to be personal choice. I've watched many discussions on this web site on this very topic. I'm working on an SC, too, that came to me with an alternator on it and I'm putting it back to 6 volt.

I love things to remain original. For example, I'd much rather see an old truck that looks original than one made into a hot rod. Just my opinion, though.

My take on the 6V-12V conversions: if you keep the wiring in good shape and keep your connections tight, 6 volt is just fine. Many people will state that 12 volt conversion will make it "start better"...whatever that really means. I suspect "starting better" means it helps overcome not having tight and bright wiring and not keeping the tractor tuned up electrically and with the fuel system. I also suspect that many teeth have been broken off of ring gears when a 12 volt battery is attached to the starter. I have no proof, though. Many people from very cold climates have praised the 12 volt conversion, but I'm still not convinced that if you keep your tractor tuned up with good wiring and tight connections, that it should make any real difference.

If someone wants to argue the efficiency of charging systems, then I suppose the modern alternator does a much better job of controlling the charge and meeting electrical demands while requiring less attention from the operator.

There's also the consideration that making the tractor "non-original" would make it less attractive to a collector. This may have truth, but if a potential buyer is one that wants it 12-volt, then they'll think less of the originality. A good idea is if you go to 12 volt, then keep the generator.

Finally, I have to admit a personal desire to understand and conquer the generator charging system. Many people seem "scared" of them, but I think the old generators and regulators are fascinating devices...especially the older three-brush generators where you adjust the charge by moving the third brush. To me, that is simplisticly fascinating. There are a few articles about generators on this website that are wonderful to read. Link to them from Research and Info section at the left. There are also a few articles about doing conversions to 12 volt.

Good luck on your decision. If you decide to go the 12 volt route, I encourage you to hold on to that generator in case you, or a potential buyer down the road, would want to put it back.

RandyN (MO)

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John T

09-20-2005 11:28:19




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 Re: Case SC 12volt conversion in reply to RandyN, 09-20-2005 11:15:11  
Randy, major ditto on starter drive issues you raised. 12 volts on a 6 volt starter reallyyyyy yy torques them hard which is tough on starter drives especially. Of course, one could change to a 12 volt starter but thats even more expense and converting from generators to alternators is a major concern for the Correct Police lol

Im NOT saying its engineering correct or proper or advised,,,,, ,but Ive simply used 12 volt Voltage Regulators on 6 volt generators n they still worked never any problems. If you do that and add a ballast resistor to the existing coil the conversiosn fairly cheap n simple though. On tractors that use solenoids instead of mechanical start switches, thats another necessary issue to address. I still agree its not the best practice out there.

John T, retired electrical engineer

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John Saeli

09-20-2005 11:09:52




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 Re: Case SC 12volt conversion in reply to CASEY1108, 09-20-2005 10:06:36  
Hey Casey: With good large cables, & a good heavy 6V Battery, I don't see a need to convert to 12V. We've solved many a hard start problem by addressing those 2 areas. For a 6V system, Cable needs to be 1 Guage or larger. We use 2/0. That is for both Neg & Pos. Battery Cable is like water pipe; Over time it's ability to carry decreases. A minimum 650CCA @ 0 degrees F Battery is a must.



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L.Lamp

09-20-2005 19:01:14




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 Re: Case SC 12volt conversion in reply to John Saeli, 09-20-2005 11:09:52  
I have converted two DC's and one SC to 12 volt. It is like day and night the difference it makes. My DC's start immediately and the SC almost as well. The real issue is battery power. A standard 6 volt battery with a two year warranty has only 575 cranking amps and cost from $29.00 to $39.00. A 650 cranking amp 6 volt will run about $59.00 with a 3 year warranty. My 650 CCA 12 Volt batteries are guaranteed 6 years and cost $49. That is why I use 12 volt batteries. I have an H Farmall on 6 Volt and I have to crank it all the time.

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CASEY1108

09-20-2005 12:40:07




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 Thanks to all..Great Info!! in reply to John Saeli, 09-20-2005 11:09:52  
Thanks a lot, very usefull info as always



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