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451dt which way to adjust timing for more power?

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730 case

08-12-2005 08:56:09




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buckmaster 700

08-17-2005 07:07:15




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 Re: 451dt which way to adjust timing for more powe in reply to 730 case , 08-12-2005 08:56:09  
oops i didnt answer your Q turn the pump top away from your engine to advance. if you do the shims and timing you need to change your air filter system to something that will let it breath because it will need it now!!!! your saddling a dead horse if you dont. email me if you need more info we can make her talk



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08-14-2005 09:59:31




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 Re: 451dt which way to adjust timing for more powe in reply to 730 case , 08-12-2005 08:56:09  
Are you wanting to adjust the timing or the max fuel screw?



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John T

08-12-2005 14:31:04




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 Re: 451dt which way to adjust timing for more powe in reply to 730 case , 08-12-2005 08:56:09  
The amount of timing advance to maximize power is a relatively complicated formula dependent upon several variables such as: RPM,,,,,Compression,,,,,Fuel and Octane. Thats why and how centrifugal (RPM based) advance and even vacuum advance come into play to change the timing relative to RPM and manifold vacuum.

As RPM increases more advance is needed to initiate the combustion cycle far enough ahead of TDC so that once the piston just crosses past TDC the exploding gas pressures drive the piston down.

At lower RPM's if the combustion is initiated too soon before TDC the exploding expanding gasses tend partly to drive the piston backwards which is a severe loss of the intended energy.

At higher compressions it becomes necessary to use higher octane rated fuels which are more difficult to ignite (to prevent pre ignition) so higher RPM coupled with harder to ignite fuels requires more timing advance. You have to initiate the combustion cycle earlier at higher RPM's with fuel thats harder to ignite.....

Sooooo ooo Im not smart enough to answer your question in any general one size fits all answer cuz the answer is IT DEPENDS. Maybe the best way is to couple her to a dyno and load her down to a typical horsepower load and at rated RPM then fine tune n tweak the timing to maximize horsepower for that fuel and that RPM and that load !!!!! !!!!! That may involve the use of different distributor weights and/or spring tensions to alter the advance versus RPM timing curve or maybe just tweak the distributors rotational position which adjusts the static start timing (when theres no centrifugal advance) but also obviously affects timing in general.

John T in Indiana, retired electrical engineer NOT a mechanical engineer but we learned this stuff in the back of our EE books at Purdue in the good ol sixties lol

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Roger (Mi)

08-16-2005 21:21:21




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 Re: 451dt which way to adjust timing for more powe in reply to John T, 08-12-2005 14:31:04  
All 451 Case engines are DIESEL! Not much of John's information about gasoline engines will be useful. The 451 was a power cell in the 60's then were changed to direct injection in the 70's. The direct injection system is far superior to the power cell in terms of potential horsepower. Stay within a couple of degrees advanced of the stock timing. The real horsepower gain will result from increasing the fuel screw setting in the fuel injection pump. Even that has limits until you add a turbo. With a 70's engine with direct injection, increased fuel flow, and a turbo, Katie-bar-the -door. You'll be pushing 300 horsepower!

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buckmaster 700

08-17-2005 06:57:21




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 Re: 451dt which way to adjust timing for more powe in reply to Roger (Mi), 08-16-2005 21:21:21  
on the front of your pump is a round coverabout 3/4 in. round with2 flats heres what ya do .unscrew cover there is a flat slot screw remove screw there are shim washers on screw remove all shims place in right hand and toss them over right shoulder replace screw and cover hop on tractor take to a pull and kick some John Deere a##



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