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cooling characteristics of kerosene??

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Camboted

08-05-2005 04:58:35




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I've heard of guys replacing the water in the cooling systems on the older tractors with kerosene or diesel fuel. Seems like it might be a good way to prevent rust in corroded blocks. Have any of you tried it? Does it cool as well as water? How about 5W hydraulic oil?




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Flumixt

08-06-2005 07:40:13




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to Camboted, 08-05-2005 04:58:35  
FWIW: I had a friend who had run a fleet of trucks near Great Slave Lake in Cananda during WW2. He said they had to run straight diesel fuel in the radiators and never shut the engines down all winter.



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todd hamilton

08-06-2005 07:30:10




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to Camboted, 08-05-2005 04:58:35  
Hi Ted: I would also be concerned about the overflow tube and the flammable liquid - might not be very safe and could cause some (albeit very miniscule) enviromental damage if the engine should overheat. I am not much of a tree-hugger but oil into the ground should be avoided whenever possible. Although I did spill about a pint a couple of weeks ago!:^)



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RN

08-05-2005 16:20:43




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to Camboted, 08-05-2005 04:58:35  
Check on 'Rumley' - it used oil as coolant in some early models. Oil didn't steam and bubble like water above 212 degrees- worked at 220/240 degrees, vapor point about 250?. This allowed rumley to run higher head temperature than water cooled competitors, vaporised Kerosene/distillate fuel better, burned cleaner with more power. RN.



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petetx

08-05-2005 14:05:21




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to Camboted, 08-05-2005 04:58:35  
there are oils made for mixing with water commonly used in machine shops these have rust inhibiting qualitys as well as cooling might be worth a try we used them all the time in shops i worked in



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JR(CASE38MAN)

08-05-2005 09:21:04




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to Camboted, 08-05-2005 04:58:35  
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Old Timers put kerosene in with water to keep it from freezing in cold weather..I guess it was cheaper than ant-freeze...no other advantage to putting it in it...This old tractor has had a lot of Kerosene in the rad..never hurt it one bit..

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INCase

08-05-2005 08:44:40




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to Camboted, 08-05-2005 04:58:35  
Well.... I think the kerosene/diesel have a thermal conductivity of about 1/4th of that of water. Hyd oil would probably be similar. so they thus wouldn"t perfrom as well. Also most "modern" cooling systems rely on pressure to increase cooling capacities of the fluid (anti-freeze/water) and to keep its boiling point down. I would be leary of pressurizing fuels in a hot engine. I"m not sure what the boiling point of oils/fuels is. It would/could however solve the pump lube and corrosion issues though. but that wouldn"t outweigh the fire and engine overheat dangers . also water left in the system wouldn"t mix well with the fuel/oils either.

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Doc Larry

08-05-2005 16:16:18




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 Re: cooling characteristics of kerosene?? in reply to INCase, 08-05-2005 08:44:40  
To add a bit to what INcase has written: The specific heat of kerosene is a little less than 1/2 that of water. That means that you can raise the temperature of, for example, a gallon of kerosene by 1 degree by applying 1/2 as much heat as you need to increase the temperature of a gallon of water by 1 degree. The purpose of the cooling system is to transfer as much heat as possible from the engine to the radiator to the air passing through the radiator, and because water will, in essence, carry twice as much heat away from the engine for each degree of temperature rise, water is a far better liquid to have in the radiator in terms of efficiency. Which isn't to say kerosene won't work, but will be less efficient.

I checked, and the flash point of kerosene is about 110F.

Most good antifreeze contains rust inhibitors....

Larry

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