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RiddleMN

06-01-2005 07:24:06




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I am in need of some words of wisdom from those that are technically astute in the world of tractors. I am posting forum to forum to solicit input from those that prefer their brand names and hopefully I can way the pros and cons of all the manufacturers to formulate my course of action.

I recently moved from St. Louis, MO to mid-state Minnesota. I purchased an abandoned 9 acre farm site that has not been occupied sine 1937. 4 acres are clear and will need mowing and the rest is a thick hedge where I will place my next home. I currently own a JD 425 Lawn tractor with a 5� deck and 2-stage snowblower which everyone agrees, too small, I�ll be mowing for days so I�ll retain it for around the house.

I�ve purchased a professional manly-man 28� blade chainsaw to sever a limb or two, I will be clearing the 10-15� diameter trees to make ready the area for the house. So, I need a tractor with some pulling power so I can skid those trees out to a centralized area, some 2 acres away. Next, the locals tell me I�ll need something above 70hp to drive a brush hog for the mowing so it doesn�t bind, their example a Ford 9....too small. Also I�ll be purchasing a 6� wide 3Point snowblower to tackle the normal 5 to 6� snow drifts that everyone tells me are coming, not to mention the minus 30 to 35 degrees. Fun-fun.....

I am focused in the $5,000.00 range for the tractor. I�ve already seen 3Point Snowblowers and brush hogs in the local in the $500-800 range so that is ok but as for the tractor, any factual suggestions would be helpful. Key points - reliability, parts availability, 3Point hitch, power based on what I have written, suggested model numbers (please be specific, I�m slow on the uptake) and lastly within budget = $5,000.00. THANKS

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Ritchie Leslie

06-06-2005 07:48:24




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
I use a 1971 David Brown 990 (52 hp diesel) to do everything you mention, plus some mowing and baling of hay. And yes, we do get snowdrifts up here in Canada. And cold .. block heater is essential and a $50 accessory if your chosen machine does not have one.

There are some excellent articles on checking out a used tractor on this site. Also, check out your local dealerships and find out who can supply parts for what brands of old tractors BEFORE you buy. A good source of parts and a knowledgeable local mechanic are much more important that whether your machine is painted red, white, green or whatever.

For that very reason I would not suggest a DB,as there are probably only 3 in the whole state of MN!

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John H-WI

06-02-2005 18:25:09




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
Agree that if you have over 4 acres to mow you may want to get a larger tractor. Some good suggestions have been offered. As far as the the 425 with a two stage you would be surprised how much snow they will blow. friend of mine had a 214 Joh Deere and he kep the road open for him and three other neighbors. Private road.



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Dale O.

06-02-2005 12:21:41




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 Re: Snowblowers in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
I have to wonder why you can"t use your JD blower.

I have lived in Western WISC. and for the last 8 years have an 18HP Cub Cadet with a 2-stage 48" blower and I have NEVER had problems clearing out my yard and driveway. Granted, we have had some pretty wimpy winters lately.

5-6" drifts that you have to move would seem to me to be why snow fence was invented! :-)



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Leroy

06-02-2005 17:41:12




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 Re: Snowblowers in reply to Dale O., 06-02-2005 12:21:41  
I read that as 5-6 Foot, not 5-6 Inch, drifts that are as tall as I am at 5 Feet 6 Inch. try doing that with a garden tractor, the spout is not high enough to clear the side of the snow bank.



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Leroy

06-01-2005 17:45:33




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
A few things to concider, a 6 ft. snow blower is to narrow for most of those tractores sugusted, there wheel spacing will be more than the 6 ft. cut of the blower and a foot of snow will fall back in on each side so your rear wheels will be working in the loose snow all the time. for that size you need a tractor that is as narrow as a Ford, some Case will fall in that class, 52" wheel tread center to center so with a 14" tire you are at 66" and that 6' blower is 72", not much space to keep your rear tire out of snow bank and you do not want a axle sticking out the side as with that kind of depth it would be trying to push thru the snow bank on each side and cause more burrying of your rear tires and you definatly want a live PTO with a verry slow reverce gear and I do not know how much HP that 6' blower would take, around here for 3' drifts they use a 8' blower on 120+ HP tractors and that is a full load with clutching on those larger tractors. If anybody knows of any makes of tractors in 80-90HP that can be narrowed down to that 5 1/2'in might help him as I think that snow blower at 6' is going to be his problem, snow takes a lot more power than mowing. the 140 HP tractor that will make that 8' work with the tractor at full power will handle a 15-18' mower easy

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Tom (Ks)

06-01-2005 17:22:13




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
If you are lucky enough to find a 770 or 870 powershift, then you would set up really good.



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dctom

06-01-2005 16:44:56




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
case racine 400 just fits your bill to a "T", 50 hp/ power stering live pto and eagle hitch, big enough and heavy enough to handle all you want to do and well with in your price range tom



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Dug

06-01-2005 15:40:57




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
Well, I own JDs, but hop over here once in a while. With that said, I don't know the different Case sizes, but 50 horse is more than enough for what you plan to do, 40 would work just fine. Go for live PTO and power steering, both will make your life much easier.

Concerning brands of tractor, each have merit, after all, look at all the old tractors still doing daily chores. It's hard to say which one is best, but if I had it to do over, I would not buy JD. That green and yellow paint is very expensive and each part it covers is worth about 4 times what I think it should be worth...

As for dragging your trees, that works, I did it for about a year, then I bought a grapple bucket for my frontend loader. Let me tell you, a grapple is pure heaven. Drop the tree cut it to 10-15 foot lengths then you never touch it with your hands again.

When dragging, be careful. Learn your tractors capabilities and limits. There are many ways to kill yourself on a tractor. If pulling too much weigh, like stumps and such, a tractor can lose it grip and spin on the back axel. If using the front end loader, the higher the load, the more unstable the tractor becomes. Don't fear them, but respect them.

Dug

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JGarner

06-01-2005 15:27:09




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
There's a pretty good looking 730 Case on ebay now. It's about 70hp and a Case-o-Matic. Our 830, dual range, wouldn't start sometimes when it was -50F or below, the only thing we could start then was the JD R's pony motor and let it run long enough to warm the big diesel up and then it would start. Any other times the 830 would start with a shot of ether, a cardinal sin I know, but it always worked for us when it was too cold for glow plugs. Didn't crack any heads either. Moderation in amount was the key I believe.

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Lincoln

06-01-2005 15:26:21




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
For skidding logs and pulling stumps I would error on the big side. The tractors that come to mind that might suit your needs are a 970 or 1070 Case, JD 3020, Allis 190, IH 656. All of these are way more than needed for a 6' bush hog. With some shopping around you should be able to find any one of these in the $5,000 range(maybe a little more for the 3020)



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TripleRange

06-01-2005 11:44:05




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
I dont know who told you you need 70 hp to run a 6' bushhog, but that sounds like a good way to break something real bad. 40 hp sounds best. That should run the snow blower too but it may struggle if you go too fast. I'd recommend a gas engine tractor. If you want a diesel, make sure it has a block heater. Sounds like you are in the market for a 430, 470 or 530 Case. These are good older tractors. I like Case because they seem to have more lugging power, which means the engines make more power at low rpm. You might want to think about a loader.

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Jim Gundlach

06-01-2005 10:23:49




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
Just some thoughts. 1. Most people on this list would recommend a Case, the JD list a JD etc. 2. In my opinion, some of the older tractors are better for your needs than newer ones, you are going to do some heavy pulling of the trees and probably some site preperation for the house. With the chainsaw you can trim any tree too big for what ever tractor you get down to size to move. 3. Tractor weight and rear tire size are more important than HP. I guess you need a tractor that weighs about 4,000 pounds or more and has at least 14 inch wide rear tires. Any pre 70's tractor that meets the above will be geared low enough to do what you want. 4. I'm in Alabama and we don't have the cold winter and snow problems you do. I recommend asking people in your area what starts easly in the winter. 5. Look for what is popular where you are, having the right kind of tractor will help make frinds. 6. Make sure you check the lift. Does it leak down? How strong is it? Is the oil that it uses clean? I guess that is all for now.

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C. Amick

06-01-2005 09:23:11




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 Re: Don't know what I don't know in reply to RiddleMN, 06-01-2005 07:24:06  
I don't know how much horsepower it takes to operate a 6 ft. snow blower. Usually bush hog manufacturers give you the recommended horsepower requirements for each model. Are you just going to be mowing only heavy grass? If so, I would think a tractor in the 40 hp to 50 hp range would be sufficient. I would think you could find a pretty good tractor in this horsepower range for $3,500 to $4,500. Obviously, people on this site are partial to Cases. I would look for something in the Case "30" series, like a 430 or 530. You might want to look through the "photo ads" on this web site to get some idea as to what you are looking for.

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