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Marvel Carb, choke relief spring?

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Ed in Maine

05-08-2005 10:33:18




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My choke plate has a semicircle cut into it, and flapper behind it that can plug the hole. I was looking over a VAC marvel guide online, see pic, and it shows a spring that attaches to this choke flapper. Should my 310B have a sping, there isn't one right now, not sure how it would attach.

Also, anyone have a rough idea how many turns to back out the throttle and main jet needles for a 'factory spec'?

Ed

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Ed in Maine

05-09-2005 17:40:53




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 Re: Marvel Carb, choke relief spring? in reply to Ed in Maine, 05-08-2005 10:33:18  
You were right Joe, there were little notches cut into the choke disc. Did not have a spring so I midified one from a ball point pin and it worked like a champ. Starts better when cold now that I have an actual choke.

Do you recall if there is a "return assist" spring on the throttle lever of the carb, similar to the choke lever? i.e. should the throttle lever be spring loaded such that it wants to resort to closed if nothing else is pulling on it? My choke lever has this but throttle does not.

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Ed

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Joe (Wa)

05-10-2005 14:47:25




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 Re: Marvel Carb, choke relief spring? in reply to Ed in Maine, 05-09-2005 17:40:53  
No, there is no return spring on the throttle linkage at the carb. I see some that have a jury-rigged spring. People do that because their governor is not working properly and/or the linkage is binding or out of adjustment.

When the engine is running the centrifugal force on the governor tries to force the throttle closed and is opposed by the spring (governor spring) that connects the right side governor arm to the throttle linkage from your hand/foot throttle. You set the engine rpm by manually tensioning that spring with the hand/foot throttle and the governor maintains the set rpm by pivoting in response to the centrifugal force germane to the rpm departure of a load change. The carb throttle fly is directly connected to the governor left arm by linkage.

If you add a return spring you will just be changing the point of equilibrium between the throttle linkage governor spring and the centrifugal force of the governor. To get back to square one you would have to increase the open position of your hand/foot throttle to cancel out the tension of the return spring, so it would not have any operational function anyway. I can scan & e:mail governor & linkage adjustment info in the 300B manual if you want it. It should be the same as your 310B. I would be leery of a light pen spring on that choke flapper. These springs can break or come adrift (backfire episode?) and will end up swallowed. It may also hang up on an intake valve and live long enough to damage the valve and/or seat. I have a junk TSX 114 carb that has the same p/n spring as the TSX 635 carb. The fly & baffle are probably the same also. The fly is stamped for 10� bevel and should fit most 1-�� (nominal) throat carbs. If your carb is a TSX 635 or similar you are welcome to it. Joe

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Ed in Maine

05-11-2005 05:43:14




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 Re: Marvel Carb, choke relief spring? in reply to Joe (Wa), 05-10-2005 14:47:25  
The thought on the spring sucking up in did cross my mind and is a little scary. If could mail that spring out to me that would be great! My carb is missing the id plate but it is a 1 1/4" inlet, pretty sure it is a 635. I can paypal you to cover shipping? The governor settings info would be very helpful as well, I have some type of adjustment issue. Email me through the email link in this post if you want.

Also need an exhaust elbow (that connects the muff and manifold), found a new one online for $49. Have you seen them cheaper anywhere?

Ed

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Joe (Wa)

05-11-2005 06:27:38




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 Re: Marvel Carb, choke relief spring? in reply to Ed in Maine, 05-11-2005 05:43:14  
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First time I have used the new contact form, if it doesn't get through my email address is [email protected]

ID tags can be near invisible on these carbs. May be located as in the pic or on the round part opposite side of the fuel inlet fitting.

I think that is an ok price for the elbow, I paid $80 to have mine welded several years ago.

Joe

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Joe (Wa)

05-08-2005 13:05:42




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 Re: Marvel Carb, choke relief spring? in reply to Ed in Maine, 05-08-2005 10:33:18  
The normal MS carb for the 300B series G148 engine is TSX-635. If that is you carb nr, it has the same type choke fly, with flapper & spring as shown at you link. The fly is notched for the spring ends.

Joe



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Ed in Maine

05-08-2005 10:42:12




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 Re: Marvel Carb, choke relief spring? in reply to Ed in Maine, 05-08-2005 10:33:18  
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Just found the prelim settings for the screws, see image.



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