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Case

03-28-2005 09:10:27




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I am looking at a 580CK with the 188D engine that has some problems, severe enough that it will not run. Without looking in the engine I know nothing more than what I am told. I know that model was available with the 188D and the G159, I have read on here that a 207 will work also but is that a bolt up replacement or are modifications required?? Is a used, running 188D engine hard to come by?? One other question is, were all the 580"s capable of carrying the backhoe attachment? This one presently just has a weight mounted on the back. Thanks for the help. Case

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Case

03-30-2005 09:08:33




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to Case, 03-28-2005 09:10:27  
Thanks Dennis and jdemaris for the replys. Out of curiosity what tractors were the 207D put in? Hey jdemaris, could I possibly ask you some more questions concerning the tractor? I'll leave my email open for a response. Thanks again Case



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jdemaris

03-29-2005 20:15:52




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to Case, 03-28-2005 09:10:27  
The 207D will replace the 188 with absolutely NO modifications. I just put a 207D in my 580Ck. The old 188D had a rod hanging out the side of the block. The 207D has stronger rod journals than the 188D and a little more horsepower. As far as all 580Cks being able to handle a hoe? Yes. The weight capacity on the rear is the same on all the 580CKs. Front axle comes two ways - regular with 6 lug wheels, and heavy-duty with 8 lug wheels and larger wheel bearings and a larger diameter tie-rod (1 1/8" o.d. instead of 1" o.d.). If the 188 still turns over, and there isn't a gaping hole in the block, seems you ought to fix it. In regard to getting cranks fixed - I've never had a problem. I've had them ground to undersize, and a few spray-welded and ground to standard. I've seen exchange reground cranks for sale on the Web that are cheaper than what a crank-shop will charge you. Just for reference, I just rebuilt my neighbor's 188D. Engine kit was $520 - included sleeves, rings, pistons, complete engine gasket set, rods and main bearings, and new rod bolts. I did his head, wound up buying four new exhaust valves at $14 each. Old ones were too thin after refacing. Reseated and reset two injection nozzles, had to replace the other two at $72 each. Pulled the fuel injection pump apart and put a new seal kit, drive bushing, and governor weight retainer ring in it, i.e. more-or-less rebuilt the pump for $40 in parts. Sent the four rods to a machine shop to have the big ends checked and/or resized at $14 each. So, total job was somewhere around $820 in parts. Labor? Depends on what you can do, or who your friends are. I've got my own valve grinding and reseating equipment, and I do my own fuel injection work. Sending stuff out can get pricey.

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Greasey Hand

03-30-2005 05:47:29




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to jdemaris, 03-29-2005 20:15:52  
Can you E me so I can send you some questions on 580 CK, or a ph no. thanks.



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jdemaris

03-30-2005 06:26:29




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to Greasey Hand, 03-30-2005 05:47:29  
How do I send you an email message since your email address is hidden?



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Greasey Hand

04-11-2005 16:16:36




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to jdemaris, 03-30-2005 06:26:29  
jdemaris E Mail [email protected]



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Greasey Hand

03-30-2005 15:09:09




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to jdemaris, 03-30-2005 06:26:29  
Try again, Thought it went to the web page & they sent it out. Sorry.



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Dennis/Ohio

03-29-2005 03:39:08




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 Re: 580 CK engine in reply to Case, 03-28-2005 09:10:27  
You"ll probably be rebuilding your engine. The value of a core is alot. The big thing I"ve seen here on the discussion is machining the crankshaft. You must retain the radius at ends of machined surfaces. Crack and break the crankshaft in about 100 hrs run time. I"d rather put the money towards a rebuilding.
The 159G is a couple inches shorter than the 188. That could be a headache.
I think 201 gas will bolt in.
I"m sure the hoe is optional.
Service manuals....priceless
The crawler board is a good place to ask questions too.
Best wishes, Dennis..... ..

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